Lee Trevino on wedge play

[O.B.Left]

Release and Impact (assuming the Ball located prior to Low Point) are "swinging right". Follow-Through and Finish are "swinging left".

Per 1-L #13, the Club moves "down and out" to Low Point. Thereafter, per 1-L #15, it moves "up and in". In both instances, per 1-L #9, it is simply moving in a circle.

Fortunately, to accomplish the above, all you have to do is keep your Head Stationary and point the Clubshaft/Sweetspot/Lag Pressure at the Straight Plane Line (1-L #6, 2-0/B #3 and 2-N-0).

So would it be right to think of the "hold off" or "swinging left" on display in Lee's wedge shots as simply angled or vertical hinging with its shorter associated travel length for the clubhead?

In other words are the different "releases" of common golf speak what we here would simply call hinge action? The full down the line release being horizontal hinging etc. Or is there more to it?

ob

[KevCarter]

So would it be right to think of the "hold off" or "swinging left" on display in Lee's wedge shots as simply angled or vertical hinging with its shorter associated travel length for the clubhead?

In other words are the different "releases" of common golf speak what we here would simply call hinge action? The full down the line release being horizontal hinging etc. Or is there more to it?

ob

OB,

Is he swinging left, or swinging up the plane line that he has set up left of the target?

Kevin

[O.B.Left]

OB,

Is he swinging left, or swinging up the plane line that he has set up left of the target?

Kevin

"Swinging left" as I understand it anyways, doesnt really mean you swing on a plane line bent to the left. Its more the feeling associated with a maintenance of the bend in the right hand and a hold off of the club as the club head and HANDS travel up and in post low point. Its this feeling of the hands going "in" or left that is being referred to in "swinging left". Arguably a terrible name given that the golfing world is already plagued with cross line, out to in swing paths, "roundhousing".

The MORAD fella's have their CF and CP releases, other teachers have their "swinging level left" release vs a "down the line release". Im wondering if this is just really different hinge actions with their various clubhead travel distances at both arms straight?

Any ideas?

ob

[GPStyles]

just love those sequences of Lee, thanks OB

[KevCarter]

"Swinging left" as I understand it anyways, doesnt really mean you swing on a plane line bent to the left. Its more the feeling associated with a maintenance of the bend in the right hand and a hold off of the club as the club head and HANDS travel up and in post low point. Its this feeling of the hands going "in" or left that is being referred to in "swinging left". Arguably a terrible name given that the golfing world is already plagued with cross line, out to in swing paths, "roundhousing".

The MORAD fella's have their CF and CP releases, other teachers have their "swinging level left" release vs a "down the line release". Im wondering if this is just really different hinge actions with their various clubhead travel distances at both arms straight?

Any ideas?

ob

OB,

I'm not sure that I am a believer in the "swing left" deal. I believe in the Plane that Mr. Kelley describes...

I have always been a staller, slinger, flipper. My clubhead stayed on my target line far to long as it flipped through impact. To me, getting the club back on the plane at follow through and into finish "feels" like swinging left, but is really just traveling back up the plane rather than steering.

Might just be a personal problem.

I don't care for the thought of "swinging left" I still believe the club needs to travel down-out-forward to follow through, then head back up the plane. I believe Mr. Trevino's plane was just aligned left.

Right or wrong, did I just make any sense?



Kevin

[O.B.Left]

OB,

I'm not sure that I am a believer in the "swing left" deal. I believe in the Plane that Mr. Kelley describes...

I have always been a staller, slinger, flipper. My clubhead stayed on my target line far to long as it flipped through impact. To me, getting the club back on the plane at follow through and into finish "feels" like swinging left, but is really just traveling back up the plane rather than steering.

Might just be a personal problem.

I don't care for the thought of "swinging left" I still believe the club needs to travel down-out-forward to follow through, then head back up the plane. I believe Mr. Trevino's plane was just aligned left.

Right or wrong, did I just make any sense?



Kevin

Agreed. Me too. The plane and the flat left wrist still rule for sure.

The "swinging or releasing left" thing is so horribly named it makes it hard to discuss without thinking of a cross line swing path or left alignment. And why name something after a "feel" of the hands going left anyways? Maybe I have it all wrong. But the move itself does work nicely for less than full powered shots.

Im just wondering if these various "releases" are simply different hinge actions? A held off 7 iron is really just angled hinging? A down the line full release with a driver is horizontal hinging , plane and simple. A Trevino like cut off , held off wedge shot is angled hinging with a lot of lag pressure and a brisk pace. Not sure if hitting and swinging would make a difference beyond their normal associated hinge action.



ob

[KevCarter]

Agreed. Me too. The plane and the flat left wrist still rule for sure.

The "swinging or releasing left" thing is so horribly named it makes it hard to discuss without thinking of a cross line swing path or left alignment. And why name something after a "feel" of the hands going left anyways? Maybe I have it all wrong. But the move itself does work nicely for less than full powered shots.

Im just wondering if these various "releases" are simply different hinge actions? A held off 7 iron is really just angled hinging? A down the line full release with a driver is horizontal hinging , plane and simple. A Trevino like cut off , held off wedge shot is angled hinging with a lot of lag pressure and a brisk pace. Not sure if hitting and swinging would make a difference beyond their normal associated hinge action.



ob

Great questions OB. I think you and I are stuck in the same place. Hopefully one of the big guns will help us out with this...

Kevin

[Yoda]

Agreed. Me too. The plane and the flat left wrist still rule for sure.

The "swinging or releasing left" thing is so horribly named it makes it hard to discuss without thinking of a cross line swing path or left alignment. And why name something after a "feel" of the hands going left anyways? Maybe I have it all wrong. But the move itself does work nicely for less than full powered shots.

Im just wondering if these various "releases" are simply different hinge actions? A held off 7 iron is really just angled hinging? A down the line full release with a driver is horizontal hinging , plane and simple. A Trevino like cut off , held off wedge shot is angled hinging with a lot of lag pressure and a brisk pace. Not sure if hitting and swinging would make a difference beyond their normal associated hinge action.

Great questions OB. I think you and I are stuck in the same place. Hopefully one of the big guns will help us out with this...

One "Big Gun" is already here, and he has things under control.

Thanks, O.B.!

[O.B.Left]

Kev

I dont know how you hacked into Yoda's computer but thank you.

Further divine inspiration has allowed me to see that Mr Trevino is not swiveling back onto the inclined plane for these angled hinging wedge shots.

Ill keep you posted should I have another vision.

[KevCarter]

Kev

I dont know how you hacked into Yoda's computer but thank you.

Further divine inspiration has allowed me to see that Mr Trevino is not swiveling back onto the inclined plane for these angled hinging wedge shots.

Ill keep you posted should I have another vision.

Thanks O.B.

I was no help, you had it all along. When (and if) we are as sharp as Yoda, maybe we will trust ourselves... You helped me, again!

I appreciate your posts my friend!

Kevin