[12 piece bucket]

Nice try Booger Breath- recruiting some help? but 24 hours later - Daryl's a no show!!! HA! He's probably out of bounds still trying to find his ball!!!!

Let's get back to your slide, rotation, flat, upright- soup!

You said swinging flatter has more rotation and less slide- (even if you didn't say it let's just put the words in your mouth!) I said flatter had more slide and didn't want to talk about the rotation factor as it just confused the issue(then you said I couldn't leave rotation out of the picture- BUT I DID! ).

If I bring rotation into the picture on the backswing then flatter does have more rotation. Now on the downswing you would have more slide than if you used a steeper plane on the backswing - as the hip has to clear more for the "deeper" hand position- assuming a straight line effort to take the hands back to where they need to be at impact (or using an aiming point). I think your initial post implied that more rotation meant less slide - as if they were tied together by some opposite relationship.

You know what a right triangle looks like right? Remember when you had that Ronald Regan haircut and you looked like Gumby just got beat with a flour sack?

Well if the plane angle is the hypotenusthingie and the vertical part is the distance from the hands to the ground at the top and the lil' part that connects the vertical part to the ball is the OUT in the plane. There's obviously more OUT in the flatter planes than the steep planes NO?

Soooooo . . . . if you swing on a steep plane then you HAVE TO SLIDE MORE AND EARLY IN ORDER TO KEEP THE HANDS ON THE PLANE . . . PERIOD. That's how it has to work. Try it . . . .take you hands up high like Hoch or Nicklaus . . . if you start down without sliding your hands fly out over the plane.

If you hands are IN, LOWER and DEEP on the flatter planes you have to rotate more or the club gets stuck behind you.

Please look at the pic of Sergio and explain where all this sliding that you speak of???

Here's Chad Campbell . . . where's the big slide?

http://www.golfswinghome.com/chad-campbell