These guys are hitters, right?

[kamandi]

These guys are hitters, right? Any other PGA/Euro hitter out there? I'm particularly interested too in those who hit far, as I want to see how they generate more power. Any longdrive guys who are hitters ... they all kind of look like swingers to me? Thanks.

Byron Nelson


Arnold Palmer


Boo Weekley


JB Holmes


Chi Chi Rodriguez

[12 piece bucket]

It's no wonder palmer won all those majors . . . . beautiful.

[Daryl]

It's no wonder palmer won all those majors . . . . beautiful.

We've got millions saying to "weld" the Upper Left Arm to the Chest. OMG. Some go so far as to say that Moe also "welded" his upper left arm.

Arnold Palmer is the complete opposite. He idiosyncratically leads with his Left Elbow as though he's some Italian guy making his way to the Bus.

Is "Arnold Palmer" a "Hitter"? Although more importantly, a "Legend", a "Champion", and possibly the greatest "Ambassador" to the game to ever live.

With all due respect; AP; 10-2-D, Angle-Hinge Swinger, Chicken-Winger.

Are any of the above golfers, Hitters?

Hitting Pattern: is a Stroke Pattern within which, Straightening the Right Arm (by triceps muscular thrust) directly "Uncocks the Left Wrist" (override CF)

Swinging Pattern: is a Stroke Pattern within Which, Centrifugal Force is harnessed to Uncock the Left Wrist.

Chicken-Winging: is a compensation to avoid Horizontal Hinging.

Bucket: is packaging for KFC 12 Piece dinner.

[okie]

Or...they are resisting CF by preserving the bend in the right elbow, producing an angled hinge?

[mb6606]

We've got millions saying to "weld" the Upper Left Arm to the Chest. OMG. Some go so far as to say that Moe also "welded" his upper left arm.

Arnold Palmer is the complete opposite. He idiosyncratically leads with his Left Elbow as though he's some Italian guy making his way to the Bus.

Is "Arnold Palmer" a "Hitter"? Although more importantly, a "Legend", a "Champion", and possibly the greatest "Ambassador" to the game to ever live.

With all due respect; AP; 10-2-D, Angle-Hinge Swinger, Chicken-Winger.

Are any of the above golfers, Hitters?

Hitting Pattern: is a Stroke Pattern within which, Straightening the Right Arm (by triceps muscular thrust) directly "Uncocks the Left Wrist" (override CF)

Swinging Pattern: is a Stroke Pattern within Which, Centrifugal Force is harnessed to Uncock the Left Wrist.

Chicken-Winging: is a compensation to avoid Horizontal Hinging.

Bucket: is packaging for KFC 12 Piece dinner.

Perhaps a combination of both - partial swing and hit??? Can't one load the left wrist at the top via #3PP and switch to a right arm thrust hit on the way down??

[kamandi]

We've got millions saying to "weld" the Upper Left Arm to the Chest. OMG. Some go so far as to say that Moe also "welded" his upper left arm.

Arnold Palmer is the complete opposite. He idiosyncratically leads with his Left Elbow as though he's some Italian guy making his way to the Bus.

Is "Arnold Palmer" a "Hitter"? Although more importantly, a "Legend", a "Champion", and possibly the greatest "Ambassador" to the game to ever live.

With all due respect; AP; 10-2-D, Angle-Hinge Swinger, Chicken-Winger.

Are any of the above golfers, Hitters?

Hitting Pattern: is a Stroke Pattern within which, Straightening the Right Arm (by triceps muscular thrust) directly "Uncocks the Left Wrist" (override CF)

Swinging Pattern: is a Stroke Pattern within Which, Centrifugal Force is harnessed to Uncock the Left Wrist.

Chicken-Winging: is a compensation to avoid Horizontal Hinging.

Bucket: is packaging for KFC 12 Piece dinner.

Doesn't it look like a swinger's start down, but a muscular thrust of the right arm dominating everything else?

[O.B.Left]

D, Im so with you on the weld thing, what good is a #4 that doesnt fly off afterall?


As far a Arnie goes.......... I see some Float Loading, which Homer labelled as Hit or Swing and then a pronounced laying on of the right arm. Im thinking Four Barrel. That's one super late release given the immense application of muscular force. What a combo. No wonder he drove the first green at Cherry Hills, 346 yards or whatever, with a marsh mellow ball and a persimmon driver.

[Daryl]

The difference between Hitting and Swinging eventually boils down to which force Uncocks the Left Wrist. The two forces available are Centrifugal Force and Muscular Effort.

KEY CONCEPTs:

1. Hitting and Swinging differ by which force moves the Secondary Lever (Golfclub).

2. ONLY the Right Arm Can Hit. A Swing are made with the Left Arm or the Right Arm.

One can only Hit if the Right Wrist remains LEVEL through the Release and Impact Intervals. If the Right Wrist is Cocked and subsequently Uncocks during these Intervals, then, no matter how much force is used or whether the Force is Right Triceps or Right Forearm Thrust or Both, the Stroke is a SWING.

With the Right Hand off the Club, look at the Left Wrist Uncocking, and readily see the Clubhead surface Speed Increasing. With the Right Hand and club only, with its Fixed Level Right Wrist, the Right Forearm and Club form a "single unified assembly". It doesn't Uncock. If you use Right Triceps Thrust (Acceleration) to drive this FIXED assembly, it is solely responsible for moving the Clubhead. Then, Uncocking the Left Wrist serves only to accommodate the Straightening of the Right Arm. Centrifugal Force is Avoided by using a Straight Line Thrust (The easiest way to avoid CF is by moving in a straight line) across the line.

So, to be a Hitter, or be considered a Hitter, the Level Right Wrist must remain Fixed. Ask the Golfer if he Cocks his Right Wrist. That's easy enough. That's the Acid test. If his Level Right Wrist Remains fixed, then your guess is as good as mine. If you Cock and Uncock the Right Wrist, you can be a Swinger, Switter (Combo Hitter-Swinger, bad), Flinger (Right Arm Swinger) or Dinger (you guessed it), but not a Hitter.



If he Cocks and Uncocks his Right Wrist, then he's a Swinger. Otherwise I can't tell from this sequence. Whether that's Forearm Driving as part of the Power Package for a Swinger, or Triceps muscle of a Hitter, I couldn't say. I can't even identify if he's using a sequenced or simultaneous release. I wish I knew enough to be sure one way or the other, but I don't.

[O.B.Left]

Interesting stuff Daryl.

I see some Dragging in Startdown, he does not have a Hitters Top , he is not aligned for Drive Loading, interestingly. He is using his pivot and the Drag Loading Downswing Sequence of 6-M-1. But he appears to my eye to turn it over to his Right Arm for Release. A Right ARm Throw. The Bat. That slightly bent left arm near impact tells me his center is no longer the left shoulder but the right elbow. The chicken wing a blocking action in an effort to prevent the right side from overpowering the flat left wrist. Is he pushing or pulling with his right arm? Its close to Right Arm Swinging isnt it. But Id say pushing, final answer.

But like you I must admit that .............only his hair dresser knows for sure. And Arnie is the easy one too..............lets try Jack next.


D are you saying Swingers cock their Right Wrist? An off plane motion of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge?

[Daryl]

Interesting stuff Daryl.

Interesting and true.

D are you saying Swingers cock their Right Wrist? An off plane motion of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge?

Swingers should not Cock their Right Wrist. No one should. I'm saying that anyone who does cock their Right Wrist can not be a Hitter, even if they think they are.

Swingers can get away with cocking their right wrist and still be called a swinger, but not hitters.

It doesn't matter if one Swings or Hits. Both are equally valid. Uncompensated stroke patters for both are included in Chapter 12. They are the goals.