thoughts....decided on a pattern

[O.B.Left]

About 40 Deg. On mine.

HB

The forces in play when you grip the club , sole it and align the face are not present when you lay the club on a table and let gravity have its way......or when the shaft is a string for that matter. Have you factored that into your theory about me taking out my left foot?

Gripping the club and aligning the face at address are the first manipulations in the hierarchy of manipulations.

Homer had a screw head inbedded in the balsa wood iron head's sweetspot , a cog back of the leading edge. It had hook face therefor Id imagine. Meaning to hit a ball straight away with that club, theoretically , he'd have to play the ball back of low point.

If his experiment displayed horizontal for a cone shape shaft travel .... what force made it so?

Again Im not a theorist just a golfer who has on occasion fallen into a groove and swung horizontals all day long. It sure felt like a product of something. Not a manipulation .

[HungryBear]

O.B.Left;92913If his experiment displayed horizontal for a cone shape shaft travel .... what force made it so?

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I sometimes use to much irony. The Socratic Method maybe.

Here is todays cone experiment.

Take off your shoe, hold it by a lace and swing it around yourself in the HK cone shape. note the shoe will settle into an orientation because of the cone plane.

CAUTION; This may make you dizzy and U could fall down.

Warning; Although your shoe assumes an orientation U can not play soccer this way just as U can't play golf that way.

HB

ps- the physics- The cone has 2 forces on the suspended clubhead. 1. The outward cf caused by the radial acceleration of a curved path- the horizontal circle AND 2. the vertical force of gravity. T^he resultant of these two forces is the string angle and direction- [a vector resultant]
When a golf club is swung on a SINGLE plane there is only 1 force- If U need orientation of the club face, as is prefered for golf, manipulate it.

[Etzwane]

I like the discussion on the physics ! IMHO, there's a big difference between the Homer experiment and a TGM swing: the uncocking of the left wrist has given the club head extra velocity compared to the simple rotation around the body and that probably has an influence on the rate of closure of the face.

[O.B.Left]

So cf would align the shoes grip and shaft but not its face given on plane travel? Thats fine for me being a manipulated hands swinger. I still sense a Horizontal tendency though when swinging . Angled for Hitting too.

[HungryBear]

So cf would align the shoes grip and shaft but not its face given on plane travel? Thats fine for me being a manipulated hands swinger. I still sense a Horizontal tendency though when swinging . Angled for Hitting too.

Just a "guess" from me. It feels like the face is being aligned bu cf but the face is held by the flat left hand. the left wedge - #3 accumulator- move through inpact with RHYTHM. to me this is rhythm and feels good but is a result of educated flat left hand and your hours of looking and practicing.

HB

[whip]

Interesting .. so this would reveal Homers hook face too then?

Not really i have already discussed this exact thing earlier in the thread the hookface is an unalterable result of weight distribution and clubshaft attachment angle loft lie etc and also to give the club it's proper relation to the plane line. Cf seeks this cog at low point so u position the ball back from low point with the necessary adjustments fr the horizontal hinge. Hungrybear u are talkin about manip hand swinging a true swing is aligned by centrifugal force.

[BerntR]

Just a "guess" from me. It feels like the face is being aligned bu cf but the face is held by the flat left hand. the left wedge - #3 accumulator- move through inpact with RHYTHM. to me this is rhythm and feels good but is a result of educated flat left hand and your hours of looking and practicing.

HB

I tried to formulate an answer here, but you said it better.

[whip]

Ya Aka manipulatedhands swinging

[BerntR]

This issue has two sides, whip.

One is the mechanical/physical aspect of whether CF - by some mysterious way can create rotation around the longitudinal sweet spot axis. Well - it can't. Unless the two wedges respond to CF in a certain way that really means that the wedges imposes this torque.

The other side is what you do with your two wedges. As we all know, any golfer has the potential to ruin whatever CF may or may not do to square the face at impact.

[whip]

So let me get this straight you think that if you drag a club longitudinally and create centrifugal force it won't have a natural tendency to horizontal hinge?Instea it's only a product of educated hands?