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12-20-2010, 08:14 PM
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12-20-2010, 08:38 PM
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Swivel Stuff
Originally Posted by chipingguru
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When Lynn is demonstrating the finish swivel for the swinger, on the impact bag, he is using the left arm.
When that is done with both hands on the club, what is powering the action? Pivot? left arm? right arm? All the above?
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Good question, Chipingguru. Thanks!
Centrifugal Force -- driven by the Body's Transfer of Momentum Throw-Out Action (2-K, 2-M-4, 6-M-1) -- powers the Swinger's Finish Swivel. But, Swinging or Hitting, the Swivel Action is always a Left Forearm function (Sketches 2-K #4 and #5).
Remember, any Swivel Action is a true rotation of the Left Forearm and Wrist (indeed, the entire Left Arm Flying Wedge / 6-B-3-0-1). This as opposed to Horizontal or Angled Hinge Action (2-G) wherein the Wrists appear to Roll -- from Impact to the end of the Follow-Through / Both Arms Straight position -- but in reality are merely staying Vertical to either the Horizontal or Inclined Planes (and thereby producing respectively Clubface 'Close Only' or 'Close with Layback' Motions).
For example, the Release Swivel rotates the Left Wrist from its Turned condition ('palm down' to Plane) to its Vertical condition (at Impact) for Hinging. The Finish Swivel rotates the Left Wrist from its Vertical condition (at the end of the Follow-Through) to its Snap- Rolled condition ('palm up' to Plane) in preparation for the Finish.

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12-20-2010, 11:15 PM
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Thank you Lynn,
You got me opening up the yellow book, and enthusiastically into the back yard for some night time swiveling.
Much better than the files I had brought home from work!
Do not disturb, incubating.
Hey that would be a cool golf machine tee-shirt eh?
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12-21-2010, 07:42 AM
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Percy Boomer
Percy Boomer writes about how to have conscious control by feel instead of thinking about our shots. and that it's essential to feel and control the swing as a whole and not concentrate upon any part of it.
I guess that's fine, but it has to be after the mechanics has been mastered?
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12-21-2010, 09:05 AM
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I think this goes to the heart of what hands controlled pivot is about. No need to wait for the perfect stroke, IMO.
OTOH, I Jack Nicklaus has said on numerous occations that he was capable of using 5 (?) swing keys while competing. I'm not sure of the exact number here, but it's a big one. But he didn't recommend more than one or two for the recreational golfer.
It's all about finding the right balance I guess. Been trusting and maintaining. And it's certainly easier to take on the right attitude in the short game than in the long game. I guess most people can learn a thing or two about hands controlled pivot from their short game.
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12-21-2010, 09:17 AM
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Tying Your Shoelaces
Originally Posted by airair
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Percy Boomer writes about how to have conscious control by feel instead of thinking about our shots. and that it's essential to feel and control the swing as a whole and not concentrate upon any part of it.
I guess that's fine, but it has to be after the mechanics has been mastered?
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The example I use all the time is that of tying your shoelaces. In the beginning, it is a learned, laborious, fumbling, frustrating set of consciously controlled mechanics (make the 'bunny ear', etc.). In the end, it is one cohesive feel, executed totally subconsciously, with barely even a conscious thought triggering the act. And so it is with the Golf Stroke.

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12-21-2010, 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
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The example I use all the time is that of tying your shoelaces. In the beginning, it is a learned, laborious, fumbling, frustrating set of consciously controlled mechanics (make the 'bunny ear', etc.). In the end, it is one cohesive feel, executed totally subconsciously, with barely even a conscious thought trigger. And so it is with the Golf Stroke.
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I guess you are talking about golfers with control of the game (via control of the ball with the club face via control of the flat left wrist)? It's easier to trust your swing when everything is working just fine and the feedback is positiv. But not everybody enjoys this type of game control. I guess this confident, automatic, subconscious motion (that makes the shots) belongs to better players and not so much to high hcp players? But everybody is hoping to get better and it's a good goal to aim at + a lot of hard work I would think...
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12-21-2010, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by BerntR
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I think this goes to the heart of what hands controlled pivot is about. No need to wait for the perfect stroke, IMO.
OTOH, I Jack Nicklaus has said on numerous occations that he was capable of using 5 (?) swing keys while competing. I'm not sure of the exact number here, but it's a big one. But he didn't recommend more than one or two for the recreational golfer.
It's all about finding the right balance I guess. Been trusting and maintaining. And it's certainly easier to take on the right attitude in the short game than in the long game. I guess most people can learn a thing or two about hands controlled pivot from their short game.
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Why is it easier to take on the right attitude in the short game? Some of the most difficult shots belong to the short game and then there is this darn problem of the keeping the head down and not peeking up to see the result of a difficult shot.
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12-21-2010, 11:53 AM
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I don't know how to formulate the "why" Air.
But it seems to me like most people can just pick up a putter and start to put. And it's how I feel.
Why do you try to keep your head down if it wants to go up? Have you tried the alternative?
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12-21-2010, 11:56 AM
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I was thinking that the book (JM's) could have been shorter if he just said:
10-7-G, 10-7-A, 10-7-F
and the book (JM's again) could have been more complete if he said:
10-7-A thru 10-7-H
Homer put a lot into two pages with pictures.
Just my silly comments.
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