Does CF left unbridled naturally produce an Over Roll?

[O.B.Left]

I say No. Hear me out and tell me what you think.

There has been a suggestion in some circles that Swinging and CF will cause a natural over roll of the Hands and clubface through the shot. That therefore Swinging requires constant monitoring and practice to deal with this over roll tendency.

I believe that while it is common for a good golfer to display this over roll, or over swivel tendency, its not a display of the effects of unbridled CF but rather an interruption to CF. That the forces that cause the over Roll are created by the golfer not by CF.

Some have even mistakenly described this over Roll as representing Horizontal Hinging, which it clearly is not. An over Roll is way past Horizontal. Hit the search function if you need clarification but HH is a holding of the Left Wrist perpendicular to the Horizontal Basic Plane, the ground say.

Worse still to my mind is the oft prescribed fix by way of a "hold off" to Release, which is Steering, Golfs first Snare according to Homer. Im thinking its better to correct this over roll by learning a Hinge Action but try a properly aligned Horizontal in addition to Angled and dont hold anything off.

Below is a photo of Homer swinging a balsa wood club head around on a length of string. In full display amongst other things is unbridled CF and the natural Horizontal Hinging it produces.

Also per 2-G BASIC PLANES AND HINGING "........And always with a Flat Left Wrist vertical to its asscociated Basic Plane. "Over Roll" or "Under Roll" of the Left Wrist--NOT VERTICAL--puts the Swingle out of line with the Handle (Sketch 2-K) as much as does any other form of Clubhead Throwaway."

The "any other form" is interesting isnt it. Does this imply that you can have a flat left wrist and still Throwaway?

Merry Christmas to all Swingers , sorry if Ive been hard on you guys of late. Daryl made me do it.

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[GPStyles]

would that support Lag Erickson's view that a FLW is like a vapour trail from a jet plane ie that the FLW is a byproduct and cannot be forced?

[O.B.Left]

would that support Lag Erickson's view that a FLW is like a vapour trail from a jet plane ie that the FLW is a byproduct and cannot be forced?

Hey Styles.

Id agree with that statement assuming proper grip pressure in the left hand etc but dont know how you got that from what I was talking about.

[EdZ]

Any over roll associated with a CF pattern is due to an improper grip/alignments and not CF per se.

[GPStyles]

Hey Styles.

Id agree with that statement assuming proper grip pressure in the left hand etc but dont know how you got that from what I was talking about.

from this part:

The "any other form" is interesting isnt it. This would imply that you can have a flat left wrist and still Throwaway!

[gmbtempe]

This may or not be related to this discussion...

what is the opinion of the left wrist rolling counter clockwise through the impact, and that this rolling is critical for the swinger to maintain a flat left wrist and clubhead throwaway?

When I feel like I try to roll the hands its forced and some kind of AJ Bonar type move.

[Daryl]

OB Said: There has been a suggestion in some circles that Swinging and CF will cause a natural over roll of the Hands and clubface through the shot. That therefore Swinging requires constant monitoring and practice to deal with this over roll tendency.

Some players even intentionally execute Impact as exclusively a Swivel, making Clubface alignments extremely fleeting and erratic. Study 3-F-7-B and 7-20.

OB Said: I believe that while it is common for a good golfer to display this over roll, or over swivel tendency, its not a display of the effects of unbridled CF but rather an interruption to CF. That the forces that cause the over Roll are created by the golfer not by CF.

OB Said: Some have even mistakenly described this over Roll as representing Horizontal Hinging, which it clearly does not. An over Roll is way past Horizontal. Hit the search function if you need clarification but HH is a holding of the Left Wrist perpendicular to the Horizontal Basic Plane, the ground say.

You answered your own question.

OB Said: Worse still to my mind is the oft prescribed fix by way of a "hold off" to Release, which is Steering, Golfs first Snare according to Homer. Correct this over roll by learning a Hinge Action but try a properly aligned Horizontal in addition to Angled and dont hold anything off.

Hold Off? One needs to Learn to Hold the Wrist Vertical to its associated Basic Plane through Impact to at least Both Arms Straight.

Also per 2-G BASIC PLANES AND HINGING "........And always with a Flat Left Wrist vertical to its asscociated Basic Plane. "Over Roll" or "Under Roll" of the Left Wrist--NOT VERTICAL--puts the Swingle out of line with the Handle (Sketch 2-K) as much as does any other form of Clubhead Throwaway."

You answered your question again.


GP Styles Said: would that support Lag Erickson's view that a FLW is like a vapour trail from a jet plane ie that the FLW is a byproduct and cannot be forced?

That's gibberish.


gmbtempe Said:
what is the opinion of the left wrist rolling counter clockwise through the impact,

That's a "Kind" of Swivel, it's not a Hinge.

and that this rolling is critical for the swinger to maintain a flat left wrist and clubhead throwaway?

No. Swingers can use Vertical Hinge too, which is a Clockwise rotation, and still maintain a Flat Left Wrist.

[O.B.Left]

Im trying to be polite but you could insert "swinging left" for "hold off", assuming the swinging left is the version that is off plane in follow through. Some are some arent Ive found. The Hands do go In, or Left after all post Low Point when on Homers Plane. Im talking about the clubhead orbit interupting off plane version.


D why are you yelling at me? You of all people. This is your christmas present for crying out loud.

[Daryl]

Im trying to be polite but you could insert "swinging left" for "hold off", assuming the swinging left is the version that is off plane in follow through. Some are some arent Ive found. The Hands do go In, or Left after all post Low Point when on Homers Plane. Im talking about the clubhead orbit interupting version.


D why are you yelling at me? You of all people. This is your christmas present for crying out loud.

You're always level and professional. I'm not yelling, ever. What am I doing that's making me sound that way. I'll stop immediately.

I'm lost, as usual. What does "swinging left" mean? What's wrong with swinging "On Plane".

[O.B.Left]

You're always level and professional. I'm not yelling, ever. What am I doing that's making me sound that way. I'll stop immediately.

I'm lost, as usual. What does "swinging left" mean? What's wrong with swinging "On Plane".

No worries mate. There is absolutely nothing wrong with swinging on plane. Guess Ill have to get you some socks or something.

Ob