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That is the exact example of what im tryig to emphasize is the problem, it doesnt work that way! Forget that! I like how joe daniels put it " the body takes you to the door, the hands turn the key" the hands alone will not create any pivot lag, sequence of the pivot train or nor the the backstroke pivot! Remember the pivot is thr giant motor that drives the power package! Nowhere in the book does homer say that moving the hands will move the pivot