[BerntR]

No Angled assumes Angled. Don't understand your question.

I think the line of thinking goes like this:

HB and I say that the club face is closed by the golfer.

You and whip says that we must be into manipulating hands action - not that there's anything wrong with, since Hogan etc did that.

HB invites to compare angled hinge, which is what Hogan did quite often and also a lot of other greats, with a 100% swinger's dual horizontal hinge action and asks: Which club face is rotated most? The "hands manipulated" or the one where CF is supposed to do everything? The answer is that the pattern which is regarded as having the least manipulation has the most delayed and rapid club face rotation through the release & impact.

And that is a paradox.