right arm swing revisited
 

I been reading the right arm swing thread that posted 5 years ago. It very interesting, Here's what I belief everyone was commenting about.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...Arm-Swing.html

Would this be a viable swing from driver to wedge?
Is the right arm swinging rather than hitting?
What are deleware's thought presently?
Where are the Tomesello tapes about right arm swinging?

I'm in favor of Tom Tomasello TGM instruction today as I was 5 years ago (actually even more so, thanks for asking). I believe Tom's description of the motion of the Right Arm in his Golf Illustrated interview (GI July 1991) is spot on (reference the last paragraph per 7-3 in TGM, The Magic of the Right Forearm). I believe I'm currently executing the right arm as Tom describes the motion in the interview with awesome results. At this point, I'm not playing much due to career issues...studying for Chartered Financial Analyst (CFA) exams...on par with studying the golfing machine. However, I played a couple weekends ago...best ballstriking round. The guys that I was paired with asked me how do you play when you practice and play on a regular basis!!!

I currently use the both forearms startdown as demonstrated in the Chapter Series videos (which is Tom Tomasello demonstrating the golfing machine in front of Australia PGA pros along with Peter Croker)with all clubs Driver through 60 degree wedge. Using Ping i15 woods (X-Shafts) and Ping Z59 irons (S-Z65 shafts). The right arm motion is the same with the two forearmed startdown as it is with just using the right arm trigger.

For the weekend round two weeks ago. On the first tee, I did two practice swings and nailed the first drive...slight draw 270 yards up hill. Sweet.

I use both Swinging and Hitting patterns on the course. 85 to 90 percent swinging and 10 to 15 hitting.

If you need a copy of the Tomasello Interview please contact me (if you send me a private message include your regular email address). Between the Golf Illustrated interview and the Tomasello videos in the gallery, you can develop an excellent game.

The advantages of using the Right Arm actively with Swinging motion...I can generate both the small wheel with the line delivery path and the large wheel (softer shots) with the circle delivery path and from a physical perspective I can go from Swinging to Hitting with ease.

DG

Delaware, do you feel that you are swinging the left arm along with the right arm?
If so, is much like the extensor action that Tom speaks about in his video at Lynn's website?

Swinging the left and right forearms per 6-B-2-0, and 10-20-D/10-20-B and 10-3-B/10-3-D.

Extensor action is non-accelerating application of the Left Arm, stretched by the right arm through pressure point #1.

Don't confuse the action in 7-3 (The Magic of the Right Forearm) with Extensor Action in 6-B-1-D. Two seperate actions but they have a connection per the actions that extensor action promotes.

Both 7-3 and 6-B-1-D are two genius level concepts from Homer.

DG

DG,

Thanks for keeping up with the right arm swing. I've never felt at home with the other TGM alternatives. Also, I would very much like to have the Tomaselli material you have on the subject.

And one question: What plane(s) do you use?

Isn't there a danger of developing golfer's elbow with right arm swing?

When I try what I believe is the right arm swing manuever, it seems like I have a twing of pain on the inside of my right elbow. I feel much torque on my right elbow. I am feel my elbow is in more a ptch position.
I'm striking the ball better but in the expense of elbow pain.

Anyone else feel the same way?

[quote=dlam;73987]Isn't there a danger of developing golfer's elbow with right arm swing?

When I try what I believe is the right arm swing manuever, it seems like I have a twing of pain on the inside of my right elbow. I feel much torque on my right elbow. I am feel my elbow is in more a ptch position.
I'm striking the ball better but in the expense of elbow pain.

Anyone else feel the same way?[/QUOTE



Maybe the Magic of the Right Forearm approach is not for you.

Shouldn't be "at" the expense of elbow pain instead "in"???

I have been swinging with the right forearm for a long time(never experienced the so called twinge in the elbow), no physical issues.

Played yesterday....great shots all round long...at one point, on the tee of a short 285 yard par 4. One of the guys in my foursome said, I bet you can drive the green. The fairway goes approximately 210 yards, then drops off to a creek, then there is another 75 yards to the hole. From the tee box you can not see the green and/or flag stick. I was going to hit a 17 degree hybrid to the end of the fairway approaching the creek. Instead, I accepted the challenge and hit the sweetest, straight drive, long and straight...as I approached the green, the ball was laying center cut one foot off the green.

DG

dlam,

How long have you been golfing?

I read your thread "The Twirl"...you got to be kidding me!!!

Deleware,

I played mostly racquet sports as youngster, mostly tennis and badminton. Wasn't into golf cause after a bad round couldn't figure out what was the matter with my swing on my own. Reading golf digest mag and filling my head with different ideas made it worse.
Usually my best round would be my first round in the spring!

I starting getting into golf about 5 years ago. Not sure why. Probably with newer technology, big head drivers,and hybrids it's easier to play.
The golfing channel and now golfing forums has added new dimension to rationalize why some golf swings work and explain why other swings are so inconsistent

I think TGM has made my game a lot more consistent since I started learning about it few months ago. I think being able to communicate in more specific terminology regarding the golf swing has been helpful to me.

One of the many things that I found difficult was the concept of the sweetspot. In racquet sports the sweetspot is inline with the shaft. Not so with the woods and irons. My orientation and alignment had to altered in order to hit the ball effectively.

"playing the game" is different. In tennis the court stays exactly the same. The only thing that changes is the opponent. Shot variation is reactive to the playing opponent.
I find in golf the shot variation is reactive to the type of course rather than the other player. In some ways it makes golf more of a congenial sport.

So comes this crazy twirl concept.
Tennis players twirl the racquet between point even in the middle of points.
I'm not entirely sure why but it may be due to the fact that the grip is different for backhand and forehand.
I have observe some golfer "twirl"

During the final round of us open, i was observing the set up routine of the golfers. Sometimes this was impossible because the camera would start just before the player hits the ball and was already at address.
But there was enough times when the camera would start when the player took out the club from the bag and looked at the target behind the ball then walked up the ball.
This was very interesting.
Of the final few groups on Sunday of the us open.
Ernie Els would start behind the ball, then twirl the club with his right hand in a counterclockwise manner AS HE WALKED SIDEWAYS to address the ball then gripped with the left hand at address EVERY SINGLE TIME on sunday.

Good observation with Erie Els and gripping the left hand first before placing the cup of the right hand over the left thumb. With that said, I recommend all that read this post to read 10-2-0 on page 138 of the 7th edition to make the connection why Erie puts his left hand on the club first. Or at the very least why it's a good procedure. Nothing better to make the connection through the golfing machine.

Good exchange dlam...

DG

Dlam I twirl in the manner you describe, dont know when or why I started to do it. Probably decades ago Id imagine. Sometimes people comment on how Im twirling the club at the end of a swing, its always a surprise to me as I have no idea that I am doing it.

Some TGM knowledge makes me want to point out the twirl's axis of rotation is the Longitudinal Center of Gravity, also know as the Sweetspot Plane. That entire axis is the sweetspot plane from the lowest point of contact on the handle (the #3 pp) all the way through to the face of the club. The #3pp is thereby attached to the Sweetspot Plane, making direction, aiming, tracing the #3pp an imperative for sweet contact. Imagine the longitudinal center of gravity as a plumb line bisecting a plumb bobbed club. The common notion of the sweetspot on the face is somewhat wrong as it is a point without dimension , like a balance point and a point that actually moves around as you choke down on the grip!

So maybe we are twirling the club to reveal the Sweetspot Plane? Maybe we are just goofing around with our pressure points and sense of touch. I dunno.

[nerd mode]

Actually, the twirl is centered around the longitudinal MOI center, not the COG. COG is a static concept, the balance point of an object at rest. MOI center is the dynamic "big brother". The MOI center will be the center of an uncompensated rotation. MOI equals mass * distance^2, while COG equals mass * distance, so MOI gives more credit to distance.

Homer took a short cut when he used COG for defining the sweet spot plane. He should have used MOI instead.

[/nerd mode]

Delaware...I tried sending a PM but I couldnt get it to go through. If you would be so kind..could you possibly send me the TT interview? My email is blockerchip@hotmail.com I would be very grateful!

Thanks Bernt

Are there any implications to the sweetspot or it's plane?

I think it makes a profound difference to club making but I am not sure whether it makes a difference that makes a difference to TGM. As far as the twirl is conserned, it means that the clubshaft side of the club will be further away from the twirl axis.