I don't think I'm so developed in the feel department. Probably because the mechanics were so wrong. Maybe I'll soon get better regarding the feel you are talking about. All I know is that when the set-up with the right alignments is/looks ok, the chances for a good shot (via good motions) are much better.

I am off to my son-in-law's parents where the whole extended family are celebrating Christmas this year. (our turn next year) We are leaving now and will stay there til tomorrow. Over and out for now.
Merry Christmas everyone!

Night Out In Norway
 

Safe travels, Air!

:smiley2304:

Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday Season!
 

Good golfing gifts to all!:sleigh: :xmas-smiley-005: :smiley2304:


ICT

Post Count Ponies . . . Reindeer . . .Whatever!
 

ICT,

I note your 'Happy Holiday' messages on three threads. No problem for me -- :laughing9 -- but, Air is going to be seriously concerned about your Christmas Advantage in the 'post count' war.

He is absent -- with leave and with family! -- and, still, you exploit your opportunity. :violent:

All in an unashamed fashion, i.e., without your normal 'length of post' disadvantage on the Unweighted Post Leaderboard! :dance:

Beware the wrath of the Norwegian!

:confused1

Thanks. The trip went well both ways, but really cold. This morning it was minus 25 F - and the coldest place 100 miles further to the north-east it was minus 40! On the bright side, I got two ball cards for Christmas so I can hit an additional 40 buckets of balls this winter.

Do I have any wrath to set in at this point? I don't think so. I used it up at Cuscowilla the first day in the basic motion brush - brush technique when you were putting balls down one at a time while I was continously brushing back and thru and making a lot of shanks. After that experience I pretty much have settled down and City doesn't upset me at all.

Let's start the day with a little golf thought.

The downstroke.

Down and out (and forward). 3 D. That makes the delivery path a little in-to-out thru the ball. A horizontal hinging is a good choice? But in stead of only rolling the left forearm in the thru swing - is it also a good thing to active role /rotate your right forearm to get a good impact and ball contact?

If the Ball was above your head, would that be "Up and Out"?

I'm not sure why you are asking this? But the answer would probably be yes.
Any thoughts on the active rotation of the right arm as it is straigthening out in the downswing as well as the horizontal hinging of left forearm thru impact if this gives a better ball contact which I think it might do in my case...?

&B

What do you mean by "Rotation"? With your Left Hand off the Club, could you please describe what you do to "Rotate" your Right Hand, Wedge, or Club? It's ok to keep it simple, I don't know if we mean the same thing for "Rotation", that's why I'm asking.


What if the Golf Ball was aligned at your shoulder height? Would your Clubhead Path be Out-and-Out?

Rotation / roll / movement to right to left / anti clock wise.
Shoulder high is like baseball. Inside - to square - to inside, I would imagine.

I'm specifically asking "What do you do?" to Rotate - Roll from Right To Left. Please describe the motion you make. What happens to the Hand? etc. What Happens to the Right Forearm?

Usually I would only straighten the right arm and let the left forearm/wrist do the job in this horizontal hinging. But in stead of concentrating solely on the left (fore)arm I wonder if one also can let the right forearm/hand active contribute in this rolling motion. How do I describe a motion that feels like a turn by the right forearm/hands if the term turn could apply to a turning to the left, which it doesn't - turn is to the right. What does the right arm do when it rotates - it "turns"/twists to the left (or maybe it's this swivel business again - which I still havn't fully understood, it seems..)

When you ask me questions - and I try to answer - and you don't give me the answers - then I can't know if I have answered correctly or not and it makes it even more confusing. I know it is difficult to teach things to pupils who don't understand what you are talking about. Poor pupils - now I know what it's like (too late).

I don't want to give you the answers because it won't help you. You need to understand the answers and be able to execute the motion using the correct alignments. If you'll take a minute to understand the motions/alignments, then I'll lead you to the answer. I'm not able to determine if you know or don't know. If you know, then good. If not, then This will help you understand. But if you don't understand this simple motion/alignment, and if you understand by the time we're finished, then tomorrow, you'll wake up a much better Golfer. This is one of the times that knowledge alone, is power.




When you say "Twisting - Rolling from right to left" is this what you mean?

I think so - but not so abrupt only at the end, but during the whole downswing as the right arm is beginning to straighten out. I don't actually have a lot of experience with this - it's more a thought, but I'm uncertain if this is a good idea or not.

That's what I needed to know. You should stop doing that. I was hoping that the drills I wrote for you would make it clear how the Right Forearm Rotates. Now I'm stuck because I can't find any sequenced pictures to show you.

One last drill to help your understanding of the Right Forearm motion and then I'll leave you alone.

You need a Bucket and fill it part way with water for weight. From Release to Impact, the water in the Bucket stays level. Grab onto the Handle with your right hand and bend the Right Wrist. The Handle will settle into the Fingers of your Right Hand. Travel from Release to Impact by pointing your right Forearm from out in front of you, to pointing mostly to your Left. The rotation of the Handle goes from Parallel to the Plane Line to Perpendicular to the Plane Line at Impact without "Twisting" the Right Hand.

Thank you Daryl.
You have convinced me not to pursue this path. I'll copy these last posts and put it in my study file and take a look at them from time to time. Now I know the conclusion - and that is always a good thing.

Hands
 

The hands are clamps. What do they do, besides gripping the club shaft - nothing?. The wrists cock and bend, but that's not something the hands do. The hands are "educated" but do nothing by themselves? The education the hands have obtained isn't their own work, but done by others - mainly the right forearm and its bending and straightening of the elbow? But the hands take all the credit so to speak?

That's insightful.

True, the Hands basically, are clamps. They're smart. They get all of the other components to do the work.

Well, what do you know...!

I suppose that it is so natural for human beings to manipulate that it is hard work not to do anything with them. Being so important for us human, I guess a large fraction of the brain is devoded to "hand feel and conciousness" compared to say the right forearm, so it would be both important to monitor they don't interfere and easier to monitor than say the wrists per se.

Percy Boomer: "Golf Bogey No.1 is the natural urge to act in the obvious way to achieve the desired result."
:confused1

How many rounds
 

do you play in a year? Not easy to beat this guy:
http://www.pgatour.com/2010/r/12/26/...nds/index.html

I think we can help this guy. 611 rounds by the end of this year. World Record.

What kind of help did you have in mind? More rounds?

I think he should see a psychologist and maybe learn how to do some volunteering. He obviously has a lot of time on his hands.

When you don't have to work any more - you can spend these 8-10 hours (with travel) on golf instead if that's what you want to do and still have just as much spare time as everybody else or even more, because you don't have to spend more time on golf that day.

The (magic) right arm forearm takeaway - in a hand controlled pivot - is that the same as a pick up with your hands & arms in the takeaway? If not - what's the difference?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTJMTxQsy40
Maybe this answers my own question?

(Did he really mention Bucket ??) (3.30 - 3.40)(Orr)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PJeXUhYxyw

With regards to records. The average temperatur for December (14 F) is the coldest ever measured here the last 110 years. A record we could have done without.

Nice swing
 

Hi Air

I was going to suggest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3C1__L5usM 3.40 to 4.00

3 dimensional UP BACK & IN is the key i think

the pick up you mention sounds a bit like it is allowing the hands be too active, but you are aware of that i think

Probably. But it's always interesting with more input.

Nice set-up. Nice swing. They usually go together.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZTQa...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5cK-...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4pH2...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veo36...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPPxX...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTqu0...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kR9mY...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sskWa...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ODdv5pmib4&NR=1


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pATRz...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_75G...eature=related

Annika Sorenstam
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwxI5...eature=related

A lot of good stuff (i think/hope).

Jeff Mann agrees:
http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/questions.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ODdv5pmib4

I think that Annika Sorenstam has a perfect golf swing.

Features that I like about her golf swing include the following-:

1) She uses a natural rightwards-centralised pivot action where she doesn't sway to-and-fro, or bob up-and-down. She also doesn't try to keep her USC stationary throughout the backswing, and therefore she doesn't need to use an assertive "butt tuck-under-the-spine" pelvic thrust motion in the downswing.

2) Her downswing/followthrough pelvic motion is rotary, and it is perfectly time-coordinated with her upper torso rotation.

3) She immediately comes-up post-impact and there is no reverse C posturing in her followthrough/finish.

4) Her knee action is very limited - her knees only move in order to allow the pelvis to rotate. There is no knee over-flexing in the early downswing or knee over-bending into impact.

5) She has a compact backswing and never over-swings.

6) Her LAFW is intact throughout her backswing, downswing and followthrough.

7) Her RFFM has a perfect relationship to her LAFW throughout the backswing/downswing.

8. There is no hand crossover release action in her swing.

9) Her rhythm is impeccable. Her arms rotate at the same rpm as her body. She looks like a human pendulum that has no extraneous moving parts.

Moe's hips are pretty much lateral at impact. Refreshing to see a guy who doesn't look like a circus contortionist with the hips at impact.

Like this? It hurts just watching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjiekNA74a4

Good advice?