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Martee 10-09-2005 09:30 AM

A while back I came across the pattern that was contained in one of the older versions for 4 barrel.

1 - A - Overlap
2 - B - Strong Single
3 - B - Pitch
4 - D - Four Barrel
5 - E - Closed Closed
6 - A - Elbow
7 - C - Double Shift
8 - A - Standard
9 - A - Standard
10 -D - Dual Horizontal
11 - D-1 -Four Point Combination
12 - A - Standard
13 - A - Standard
14 - A - Standard
15 - A - Standard
16 - A - Standard
17 - A - Standard
18 - A - Standard
19 - C - Drag Loading
20 - E - Wrist Throw
21 - C - End
22 - C - Snap
23 - D - Top Arc and Angled Line
24 - E - Automatic Snap

Difference between 12-1-0 and 12-2-0 in the most recent version are:

Component..........4 Barrel.....12-1-0..........12-2-0
3-Stroke Basic.....Pitch........Punch...........Pitch
4-Stroke Var.......Four Barrel..Triple (1/2/3)..Triple (2/3/4)
5-Plane Line.......Clsd/Clsd....Sq/Sq...........Sq/Sq
6-Plane Angle B....Elbow........Turned Shldr....Turned Shldr
7-Plane Angle V....Double Sht...Zero............Zero
10-Hinge Action....Dual Horz....Angled..........Dual Horz
11-Press Pt........4 pt combo...Double(1/3).....Triple(2/3/4)
15-Hip Action......Standard.....Delayed.........Delayed
16-Knee Action.....Standard.....Rt Anchor.......Rt Anchor
17-Foot Action.....Standard.....Flat Left.......Flat Left
18-Lf Wrist Action.Standard.....Single..........Standard
19-Lag Loading.....Drag.........Drive...........Drag
20-Trigger Type....Wrist Throw..RtArmThrow......Wrist Throw
21-PwrPackAssyPt...End..........Top.............End
22-PwrPackLoadPt...Snap.........Random Sweep....Snap
23-PwrPackDelPath..TopArc/Ang...Straight Line...TopArc/Straight Line
24-PwrPackRel......AutoSnap.....Non-Auto Sweep..Non-Auto Sweep


I don't have the book so I can't say if Homer called it Hitting or Swinging Pattern.

BUT the four barrel has more in common with the swing pattern than the hitting pattern.

Not sure if the above really helps, I can't but wonder why beyond the reasons stated the Homer would choose to remove this pattern. There must be something that makes this pattern inferrior to the ones he decided to stay with. Don't really know but I think it would be out of character for him to toss(push to the background,etc.) something that could be the best pattern to exist. JMHO.

Its too difficult for me...

Yoda 10-09-2005 09:57 AM

Maximum Participation Pattern -- Third Edition
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martee
I don't have the book so I can't say if Homer called it Hitting or Swinging Pattern.

This Stroke Pattern was one of six in the third edition. It was labeled neither Hitting or Swinging, but instead, Maximum Participation (referring to the selected Stroke Component Variations).

tongzilla 10-09-2005 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martee

I don't have the book so I can't say if Homer called it Hitting or Swinging Pattern.

BUT the four barrel has more in common with the swing pattern than the hitting pattern.

Not sure if the above really helps, I can't but wonder why beyond the reasons stated the Homer would choose to remove this pattern. There must be something that makes this pattern inferrior to the ones he decided to stay with. Don't really know but I think it would be out of character for him to toss(push to the background,etc.) something that could be the best pattern to exist. JMHO.

Its too difficult for me...

I think that's why Homer called the Pattern you posted a "Sample Pattern" rather than a "Basic Pattern" as prescribed in the later editions.

Bagger Lance 10-09-2005 12:06 PM

Are you suggesting Martee, that Tom T. is referencing this pattern?
Just want to make sure we are keeping on topic.

Thanks

Martee 10-09-2005 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagger Lance
Are you suggesting Martee, that Tom T. is referencing this pattern?
Just want to make sure we are keeping on topic.

Thanks

Actually this is in response to Deleware Golf's request
Quote:

Yoda,

Please write out the stroke components for a 3 barrel hit and a 4 barrel hit!!! If 12-1-0 represents what you teach as a 3 barrel hit, then just show us the whole 4 barrel hitting pattern or what components change between the two procedures.

Thanks,
In doing so I have learned that in Fact Homer didn't refer to it as hitting or swinging pattern, but as 'maximum partipication' and yes they were sample patterns.

I was just trying to keep the topic focused.

MizunoJoe 10-09-2005 01:14 PM

Regarding Homer's version of "The Right Arm Swing", could someone explain how the right elbow in the bat position, could replace the left shoulder as the swing center? The ball would have to be positioned back toward the right shoulder in order to contact the ball before low point.

tongzilla 10-09-2005 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
Regarding Homer's version of "The Right Arm Swing", could someone explain how the right elbow in the bat position, could replace the left shoulder as the swing center? The ball would have to be positioned back toward the right shoulder in order to contact the ball before low point.

By Swinging with your Right Arm. Which means Pulling using the Rope Handle Technique.

The Right Arm isn't really designed to swing in the Golf Stroke. It is more comfortable pushing in a linear fashion, and actually a safer motion to perform in terms of how we're built.

Yes, ball would have to be positioned before Right Elbow (which is the stroke center, so low point would be directly beneth it) for ball to be struck before Low Point. This probably means ball will be back toward the right shoulder as you've said. Also remember that the right elbow is constantly moving forwards, and hence low point is also moving forwards also.

Discussing about the Right Arm Swing is great, and trying it out the range is good fun. But consistently playing with it? Not for me!

Delaware Golf 10-09-2005 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla
By Swinging with your Right Arm. Which means Pulling using the Rope Handle Technique.

The Right Arm isn't really designed to swing in the Golf Stroke. It is more comfortable pushing in a linear fashion, and actually a safer motion to perform in terms of how we're built.

Yes, ball would have to be positioned before Right Elbow (which is the stroke center, so low point would be directly beneth it) for ball to be struck before Low Point. This probably means ball will be back toward the right shoulder as you've said. Also remember that the right elbow is constantly moving forwards, and hence low point is also moving forwards also.

Discussing about the Right Arm Swing is great, and trying it out the range is good fun. But consistently playing with it? Not for me!


Tongzilla,

Hmmmm....the right arm swing in play is great...I won the golf tournament I was in today....the win came down to the last hole...par 5....right arm swing performed really well...Draw with the Driver off of the tee....sweet 13 degree 3 woood to about 110 yards from the hole...third shot pitching wedge to 3 feet from the hole....missed the putt for birdie...made par to win the tourney by one stroke.

You just don't go out to the driving range and expect miracles with the right arm swing...it takes about 3 to 6 months of practice and play to see really good results...forearm muscles need to be conditioned.

DG

Delaware Golf 10-09-2005 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Martee
A while back I came across the pattern that was contained in one of the older versions for 4 barrel.

1 - A - Overlap
2 - B - Strong Single
3 - B - Pitch
4 - D - Four Barrel
5 - E - Closed Closed
6 - A - Elbow
7 - C - Double Shift
8 - A - Standard
9 - A - Standard
10 -D - Dual Horizontal
11 - D-1 -Four Point Combination
12 - A - Standard
13 - A - Standard
14 - A - Standard
15 - A - Standard
16 - A - Standard
17 - A - Standard
18 - A - Standard
19 - C - Drag Loading
20 - E - Wrist Throw
21 - C - End
22 - C - Snap
23 - D - Top Arc and Angled Line
24 - E - Automatic Snap

Difference between 12-1-0 and 12-2-0 in the most recent version are:

Component..........4 Barrel.....12-1-0..........12-2-0
3-Stroke Basic.....Pitch........Punch...........Pitch
4-Stroke Var.......Four Barrel..Triple (1/2/3)..Triple (2/3/4)
5-Plane Line.......Clsd/Clsd....Sq/Sq...........Sq/Sq
6-Plane Angle B....Elbow........Turned Shldr....Turned Shldr
7-Plane Angle V....Double Sht...Zero............Zero
10-Hinge Action....Dual Horz....Angled..........Dual Horz
11-Press Pt........4 pt combo...Double(1/3).....Triple(2/3/4)
15-Hip Action......Standard.....Delayed.........Delayed
16-Knee Action.....Standard.....Rt Anchor.......Rt Anchor
17-Foot Action.....Standard.....Flat Left.......Flat Left
18-Lf Wrist Action.Standard.....Single..........Standard
19-Lag Loading.....Drag.........Drive...........Drag
20-Trigger Type....Wrist Throw..RtArmThrow......Wrist Throw
21-PwrPackAssyPt...End..........Top.............End
22-PwrPackLoadPt...Snap.........Random Sweep....Snap
23-PwrPackDelPath..TopArc/Ang...Straight Line...TopArc/Straight Line
24-PwrPackRel......AutoSnap.....Non-Auto Sweep..Non-Auto Sweep


I don't have the book so I can't say if Homer called it Hitting or Swinging Pattern.

BUT the four barrel has more in common with the swing pattern than the hitting pattern.

Not sure if the above really helps, I can't but wonder why beyond the reasons stated the Homer would choose to remove this pattern. There must be something that makes this pattern inferrior to the ones he decided to stay with. Don't really know but I think it would be out of character for him to toss(push to the background,etc.) something that could be the best pattern to exist. JMHO.

Its too difficult for me...

The 4 barrel pattern from the 3rd edition is a SWINGING pattern. Standard Wrist Action, Horizontal Hinging, "End" assembly point, Wrist Throw, Drag Loading....

I would really like to see a 4 BARREL HITTING STROKE PATTERN.

DG

tongzilla 10-09-2005 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
Tongzilla,

Hmmmm....the right arm swing in play is great...I won the golf tournament I was in today....the win came down to the last hole...par 5....right arm swing performed really well...Draw with the Driver off of the tee....sweet 13 degree 3 woood to about 110 yards from the hole...third shot pitching wedge to 3 feet from the hole....missed the putt for birdie...made par to win the tourney by one stroke.

You just don't go out to the driving range and expect miracles with the right arm swing...it takes about 3 to 6 months of practice and play to see really good results...forearm muscles need to be conditioned.

DG


Fantastic to hear you're having such great success with the Right Arm Swing!

I would be excited to see what the Right Arm Swing looks like in action.


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