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innercityteacher 05-22-2012 09:34 PM

Thanks Air but I am a lightweight.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 91750)
You have been here longer than me and know a lot more than I do - and have made greater achievements. So I always listen to what you have to say and the value of the information you are willing to give.

As far as I can tell I now have a flat(ish) LW and the corresponding BRW. Hope so at least.

The forward swivel is that the same as the rolling of the left/wrist? As far as I have gathered (for a swinger) the uncocking karate / flail move happens before the rolling of the left hand/wrist. Hitters on the other side do this simultaneously.

Watch this until it is clear!

http://youtu.be/GQplJ33oSjY

Let's just concentrate on you! When does your wobble appear? Basic motion, Chipping, Pitches or Acquired Motion? Let's just concentrate on tracing the Baseline of the plane 2 feet back, 4, parallel to plane line, pointing at plane line. Do five of each perfectly and without a ball pull the PP# 3 slowly to the inside quadrant of the ball while keeping your wedges intact. Do the MacDonald marching in place feel your feet push your hips push your shoulders fling your flail up back and in down out and forward then up back and in.

Concentrate on the vertically un-cocking left wrist! Move freely beneath yourself and your stationary head. Watch how fast Lynn THROWS his flat left wrist down and out at the baseline of the plane. Just do that and the Forward Swivel will happen without a problem. Then Swing at some balls!

http://youtu.be/vVws0CQqTDc

Watch how little correct motion it takes to make the flail explode! It is a simple tilt!

http://youtu.be/EDNCLchMYRI

This next one is complicated but really crucial!

http://youtu.be/c3kaU1QxHW8


Keep your head stationary until after the club goes past your head. If your head stays down the ball will go up and you will have time to look for it. What difficulties occur, at what position, be precise about your wobble.

My idea of dropping my right elbow to my side came from that video to help me trigger my flail at speed. The part I forget is that the Pivot or Hip slide loads PP # 3 probably because I move slowly. I don't feel that coordinated yet so I keep my left wrist level, RFT to my shoulder and drop my elbow feeling PP# 3 secondarily. I use a left anchor / IMpact Fix, to get my hip out of the way. I cover the club head path for the Angle Hinge and drop the elbow to my side trusting that the elbow will push the hip parallel to the plane. I really might be swinging, anyway it is damn dependable for me.

Sometimes the terminology is overwhelming Air, as you know. It is a bit like the Bible and other spiritual texts. You must apply the idea to yourself to learn the meaning of the text or phrase FOR YOU, imho (in my humble opinion).

Pat

airair 05-23-2012 08:44 AM

Hitting vs. Swinging - differences a bit overblown???
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2371

airair 05-23-2012 08:46 AM

STT and RFT Combined, is that OK????
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2349

airair 05-23-2012 08:47 AM

Curing fat shots
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2479

airair 05-23-2012 08:49 AM

The "Classic Sit Down" position
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2136

airair 05-23-2012 08:50 AM

7-17 Swinging from the feet
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2672

O.B.Left 05-23-2012 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 91759)

Never read this before , thanks Air.

innercityteacher 05-23-2012 02:17 PM

Hi Air. Two more insights I've had regarding my own Hits last evening at the range. 1) For whatever reason, when I use a heavier amount of Extensor Action my shots are true! The heavy EA keeps my wedges intact.

2) On Sunday, I was able to control many of my shots by increasing my EA and covering the baseline of the plane. I then drove my right hip to produce an Angle Hinge using the Angle of Approach but sometimes I Traced down the plane line by feeling like I dropped my right elbow. Tracing allowed me to really split fairways with my driver whereas, driving my right hip, goat-humping, allowed me to split greens with my irons. I was trying for an Angle Hinge from Impact Fix in every case.

Yesterday, I experiment with heavy EA and Tracing from Impact Fix and then tried to "turn left," spinning on my left heel. When I kept my wedges firm and got the right ball position, I hit very nice straight shots that consistently faded about 10 yards to the right.

airair 05-23-2012 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 91767)
Hi Air. Two more insights I've had regarding my own Hits last evening at the range. 1) For whatever reason, when I use a heavier amount of Extensor Action my shots are true! The heavy EA keeps my wedges intact.

2) On Sunday, I was able to control many of my shots by increasing my EA and covering the baseline of the plane. I then drove my right hip to produce an Angle Hinge using the Angle of Approach but sometimes I Traced down the plane line by feeling like I dropped my right elbow. Tracing allowed me to really split fairways with my driver whereas, driving my right hip, goat-humping, allowed me to split greens with my irons. I was trying for an Angle Hinge from Impact Fix in every case.

Yesterday, I experiment with heavy EA and Tracing from Impact Fix and then tried to "turn left," spinning on my left heel. When I kept my wedges firm and got the right ball position, I hit very nice straight shots that consistently faded about 10 yards to the right.

Golf poetry being dispalyed..

innercityteacher 05-23-2012 03:39 PM

Actually, I'm just waiting to be corrected by my betters!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 91768)
Golf poetry being dispalyed..

The short game is now everything! :eyes:

ICT

airair 05-23-2012 04:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 91752)
Watch this until it is clear!

http://youtu.be/GQplJ33oSjY

Let's just concentrate on you! When does your wobble appear? Basic motion, Chipping, Pitches or Acquired Motion? Let's just concentrate on tracing the Baseline of the plane 2 feet back, 4, parallel to plane line, pointing at plane line. Do five of each perfectly and without a ball pull the butt of the club (PP# 3) slowly to the inside quadrant of the ball while keeping your wedges intact. Do the MacDonald marching in place feel your feet push your hips push your shoulders fling your flail up back and in down out and forward then up back and in.

Concentrate on the vertically un-cocking left wrist! Move freely beneath yourself and your stationary head. Watch how fast Lynn THROWS his flat left wrist down and out at the baseline of the plane. Just do that and the Forward Swivel will happen without a problem. Then Swing at some balls!

http://youtu.be/vVws0CQqTDc

Watch how little correct motion it takes to make the flail explode! It is a simple tilt!

http://youtu.be/EDNCLchMYRI

This next one is complicated but really crucial!

http://youtu.be/c3kaU1QxHW8


Keep your head stationary until after the club goes past your head. If your head stays down the ball will go up and you will have time to look for it. What difficulties occur, at what position, be precise about your wobble.

My idea of dropping my right elbow to my side came from that video to help me trigger my flail at speed. The part I forget is that the Pivot or Hip slide loads PP # 3 probably because I move slowly. I don't feel that coordinated yet so I keep my left wrist level, RFT to my shoulder and drop my elbow feeling PP# 3 secondarily. I use a left anchor / IMpact Fix, to get my hip out of the way. I cover the club head path for the Angle Hinge and drop the elbow to my side trusting that the elbow will push the hip parallel to the plane. I really might be swinging, anyway it is damn dependable for me.

Sometimes the terminology is overwhelming Air, as you know. It is a bit like the Bible and other spiritual texts. You must apply the idea to yourself to learn the meaning of the text or phrase FOR YOU, imho (in my humble opinion).

Pat

Interesting stuff. I've seen them several times before, but putting them together with your comments helps. Thanks.

airair 05-24-2012 03:58 AM

Swinging Components 10-19-C Drag Loading
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2699

airair 05-24-2012 04:01 AM

Sweet Spot Plane 2-F
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2690

airair 05-24-2012 04:02 AM

3-F-5 The Golfing Machine Waggles
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2673

airair 05-24-2012 04:19 AM

Delivery Path And Flying Wedges Video
 
Where do we find this now?

Is it this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3kaU1QxHW8

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1563

airair 05-24-2012 04:36 AM

TGM Golf?
 
Is this the real thing, TGM as we know it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvmqIwMizS4

......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IpbrD...eature=related

http://www.pga.com/golf-instruction/...r-drives-video

http://www.pga.com/golf-instruction/...ew-clubs-video

http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-news...518-1yu18.html
http://www.norskgolf.no/node/3210

innercityteacher 05-24-2012 09:30 AM

Air, while at school, I cannot get any video feeds due to blocks.

innercityteacher 05-24-2012 03:40 PM

New personal insights
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 91752)
Watch this until it is clear!

http://youtu.be/GQplJ33oSjY

Let's just concentrate on you! When does your wobble appear? Basic motion, Chipping, Pitches or Acquired Motion? Let's just concentrate on tracing the Baseline of the plane 2 feet back, 4, parallel to plane line, pointing at plane line. Do five of each perfectly and without a ball pull the PP# 3 slowly to the inside quadrant of the ball while keeping your wedges intact. Do the MacDonald marching in place feel your feet push your hips push your shoulders fling your flail up back and in down out and forward then up back and in.

Concentrate on the vertically un-cocking left wrist! Move freely beneath yourself and your stationary head. Watch how fast Lynn THROWS his flat left wrist down and out at the baseline of the plane. Just do that and the Forward Swivel will happen without a problem. Then Swing at some balls!

http://youtu.be/vVws0CQqTDc

Watch how little correct motion it takes to make the flail explode! It is a simple tilt!

http://youtu.be/EDNCLchMYRI

This next one is complicated but really crucial!

http://youtu.be/c3kaU1QxHW8


Keep your head stationary until after the club goes past your head. If your head stays down the ball will go up and you will have time to look for it. What difficulties occur, at what position, be precise about your wobble.

My idea of dropping my right elbow to my side came from that video to help me trigger my flail at speed. The part I forget is that the Pivot or Hip slide loads PP # 3 probably because I move slowly. I don't feel that coordinated yet so I keep my left wrist level, RFT to my shoulder and drop my elbow feeling PP# 3 secondarily. I use a left anchor / IMpact Fix, to get my hip out of the way. I cover the club head path for the Angle Hinge and drop the elbow to my side trusting that the elbow will push the hip parallel to the plane. I really might be swinging, anyway it is damn dependable for me.

Sometimes the terminology is overwhelming Air, as you know. It is a bit like the Bible and other spiritual texts. You must apply the idea to yourself to learn the meaning of the text or phrase FOR YOU, imho (in my humble opinion).

Pat

Air, try to feel the PP # 3 when Swinging. Take a full MacDonald "March/March and feel the force smash you club against the # 3 PP. Because of all my hip operations the Macdonald March stuff confused me. But when I start the exercises looking to find PP # 3, I realize that THE HARDER I PIVOT, THE MORE POWERFULLY I CAN PULL OR DRIVE PP # 3 INTO THE BALL!!! :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

The more vigorous your pivot, the more deeply you can drive your right arm down plane, because the force of the backswing "sticks" the club to your Machine with much more, let's say, "G-Force." LAG INCREASES IN PROPORTION TO EFFORT!!!

This corresponds with the Tour Tempo and Swing Chain observations regarding speed and it's positive effect on golf shots. :golfing_banana:

A tour player's speed of swing is up and down very quickly compared to a weekend golfer and yet they look smoother and hit the ball further with more accuracy!

HK was right, "Accurate golf is Power golf!"

Lynn is right!

We are lucky fellows! :dance:

airair 05-24-2012 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 91791)
Air, try to feel the PP # 3 when Swinging. Take a full MacDonald "March/March and feel the force smash you club against the # 3 PP. Because of all my hip operations the Macdonald March stuff confused me. But when I start the exercises looking to find PP # 3, I realize that THE HARDER I PIVOT, THE MORE POWERFULLY I CAN PULL OR DRIVE PP # 3 INTO THE BALL!!! :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

The more vigorous your pivot, the more deeply you can drive your right arm down plane, because the force of the backswing "sticks" the club to your Machine with much more, let's say, "G-Force." LAG INCREASES IN PROPORTION TO EFFORT!!!

This corresponds with the Tour Tempo and Swing Chain observations regarding speed and it's positive effect on golf shots. :golfing_banana:

A tour player's speed of swing is up and down very quickly compared to a weekend golfer and yet they look smoother and hit the ball further with more accuracy!

HK was right, "Accurate golf is Power golf!"

Lynn is right!

We are lucky fellows! :dance:

Just a quick note. If remember right, I was adviced to have a very light (inert) touch in # 3 PP, but have more pressure on # 2 PP. Maybe hitting and swinging differ on this matter?

innercityteacher 05-24-2012 04:03 PM

On my way to the range will report back-but the Thrust against PP # 3 can only be gathered by "an equal and opposite reaction." Trying it will report back!

airair 05-25-2012 03:40 AM

6-M-1Downstroke Sequence
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2750

airair 05-25-2012 03:42 AM

Magic Of The Right Forearm / Elbow Action
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2667

airair 05-25-2012 03:43 AM

2-H Shoulder Motions
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2712

airair 05-25-2012 03:44 AM

6-B-3-0 Accumlator #3
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2696

airair 05-26-2012 06:31 AM

10-19-C Drag Loading
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2749

airair 05-26-2012 06:32 AM

Pivot
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2668

airair 05-26-2012 06:37 AM

The Bent Right Wrist (4-A-2)
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2715

airair 05-26-2012 06:38 AM

1-F Right Arm or Left
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2720

airair 05-27-2012 04:42 AM

#3 Pressure Point Bungee Jump
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2837

airair 05-27-2012 04:44 AM

The Blue Angels And Pressure Point #4
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2807

airair 05-27-2012 04:49 AM

Swing Analysis for a Newbie
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2880

airair 05-27-2012 04:51 AM

Prestressed Shaft and Impact Deceleration
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2894

airair 05-27-2012 04:52 AM

Is extensor action at address ok?
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2902

airair 05-27-2012 04:54 AM

finding your first wobble point
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2930

innercityteacher 05-27-2012 03:22 PM

So cool!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 91841)


Not vapid! Worth every letter! Thanks Daryl!


Quote:

Daryl
Senior Member

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,192
Originally Posted by stinkler
Maybe someone could post a video of a functional swing where the hands do not slow down at/towards impact? I've been looking at the tube and I can't find one, certainly happens for Norman, Woods, Hogan, Ogilvy, Gay etc etc from what I can tell, even without state of the art measuring equipment.
Maybe Newton never played so his laws don't apply here?



Here is one of a hundred available. Look at Tiger on swings where he uses a sit-down procedure. Look at Sam Snead. Look at Ben Hogan. Look at any golfer using a Sit-Down procedure. That's the Tip off of a Sequenced Pivot. Following the sit-down is a Hip Rotation which drives the right shoulder, which drives the left shoulder, which pulls the left arm wedge through impact. Don't look at Freddy Couples (Circle path).

ALSO: Look for pro's that move their heads slightly to the right during the Backstroke and tend to keep it there. They are keeping weight on the right side and using ground pressures to crank the Hips around.

Swinging with the Right Arm off the club will help train a sequenced pivot. Learn to move the Left Arm Wedge with your Pivot. Don't move the club with arm or shoulder muscles. It's also enlightening to find that swinging with the Right Hand only on the Clubshaft, that your right arm is helpless unless you can lock the elbow into a stiff lever. Even then, the Right Shoulder has too much play to handle the power applied by the Hip Action. But, Both arms together, with Extensor action, (Power Package) can be violently Propelled with little physical effort. The Hands can direct all of this force.

When your Pivot can Power the Swing this way, you will no longer have "Blackout" during the Downstroke. When the Arms and Hands no longer apply any force to move the Hands, you will imediately sense the Tracing of the #3 Pressure Point. You will immediately begin to keep the #3 pressure Points relationship with the Plane Line. Educated Hands. Hands Controlled Pivot.

You will Float load, Drive Load, Drag Load at will. You'll hit draws or fades with the slightest Plane line, target line and stance line manipulations.

Watch Ben Doyle. All Pivot. Sequenced Pivot, super Hip Action. But he never tells you "How to". Ben thinks that everyone already knows. Ben says: "Load it, Store it, and then Shoot it". And people stand there and listen but are a little shy to ask: "What do you mean by "Shoot it"?
I like this video but this is not in Daryl's quote.

http://youtu.be/s5bfIjfEb2s

http://youtu.be/YAAhH89zffo

ICT

innercityteacher 05-27-2012 03:32 PM

More with less!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 91843)
Not vapid! Worth every letter! Thanks Daryl!




I like this video but this is not in Daryl's quote.

http://youtu.be/s5bfIjfEb2s

http://youtu.be/YAAhH89zffo

ICT

Spinning the wheel is fun, Air, and make sure your right hand grip is good!

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6722&page=10&highlight=Spinning+t he+wheel




Quote:

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,192
Hi David,

That's interesting. I was just reviewing Ben's 24 component video were he talks about the Pivot. I never realized how much time he spends on it.

Here are some interesting comments:

Quote:
"Feet dictate the whole motion"
"Put the same amount of pressure in the feet, into the ball".
I'm pretty sure that Ben understands ground forces. He also said that feet pressure is the first thing he learned in golf when he was a kid.

innercityteacher 05-27-2012 03:42 PM

Air, I shot 94 on Saturday with three really bad holes. part of my problem is mixing Hitting and swinging. Check this out:

Quote:

Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,192
Originally Posted by bioengine
Dave,
In Physics there is theory which I have been speaking of.
Theory is the understanding. Essentially what is important is how do you put the theory into practice.

As I have said previously is how do you train the body how to create the physics.
First step is to be tested to find out what your movement patterns are. Then you can build a program to train your how to create the right movement patterns.

I can continue to speak about theory for ever although people still won't be able to apply this in practice. It's not something you can go to the practice fairway and try to achieve.
You need to be given a program to train your body how to create the right movement patterns.

I speak to guys about TGM, they know the book exceptional well, but in practice they can't break a 100. Listen to them speak they sound like they can break par.

What is important is learning how to train your body how to put the theory into practice.
Now that I break Par on a regular basis I have less misery. Breaking par has always been a milestone and millstone for people.

With TGM it's been a guided struggle and I feel confident each time I play. I don't wonder how I'll be hitting the ball that day or If I'll have my "A" game. My best game this year is five straight birdies. I've only had one Eagle in my life when the ball hit the cup from 60 yards.

Up till about a year ago, every Hole was a scramble but I still posted a respectable score. Now that my swing is 100 times better than it was two years ago, I don't consider the big difference to be the scoring, but the lack of scrambling and absence of struggle. It's just a different game all together than two years ago. Two years ago, the best I would score was a 79 and the worst an 84. Today the best I'll score is a 69 and the worst a 75. So I think that a Swing which I know is 100 times better is giving me an average of ten less strokes per round. I even think differently on the course today. I play some tough courses but from only 6900 yards. Recently I played some courses in Michigan at 7400 yards and didn't notice a big difference concerning the Yardage.

I will probably not be striking the Ball any better than I do today. My chipping (which is great) could save me another stroke per round, and if I make all putts (my putting is great too) within 12 feet I'll save another 5 strokes. I hit 85% of the Fairways and almost as many greens. I only drive the Ball 250 yards. So, I figure I need to improve 100 times more. That's not going to happen.

The big difference between 2 years ago and today, is Knowledge. And, a some trial and error. It seems like I've learned a little more with each year (theory, then application) and I've finally ran through all twenty-four components and then some. I've been learning what seems to be a lot these past two months, but I don't expect to shoot a 60 any time soon.

I wish I could point to one or two changes that made a big difference but I can't. But if could say anything that would make sense to others it would be that my Pivot does the work and my hands are finesse even on my longest drives. Oh, and I lost a lot of weight.
My goal is to shoot par regularly, even so, there will be more effective and less effective days. I would say that my driving has never been better and my putting is very good now but my 2nd shots and chips are all over the place. Well, I am interested in the game and I love this as a hobby so it's good to have a challenge.

Pat

airair 05-27-2012 06:48 PM

Ict
 
Thanks for the input. One day I may perhaps be able to put this to good work ...?

airair 05-28-2012 03:17 AM

#4 Pressure Point
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2598

airair 05-28-2012 03:18 AM

Acquiring Educated Hands In the Start Down
 
http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3068


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