Four-Barrel Swinging -- Left Arm And Right
 

In The Swamp With Swingeasttowest
 

Roll Out The Four Barrel
 

Confusion
 

There's learning/knowing

There's learning and knowing how to do what you have learned.

There's confusion when the learning part and doing part don't coincide.

There's also something called Paralysis Through Analysis...

Some need a stricter practice regime I guess - or just blame it on age and lack of talent.

Or just continue to play on the level you have reached and try to be happy never the less.

Or ...

On an other note:

If there is a tendency to hit at the ball instead of swinging thru the ball - like hackers tend to do, does that accelerate the hand speed towards impact and distroy rhythm, the endless belt effect/the flail and what not..?

Air, I need real feedback from you to be of any little help.
 

Air, let us know what happens when you try some of this stuff in print or in video, ok?


Feedback helps us know where you are or are not. :) Give us a report on what is working and how, cause and effects.

ICT

I'm not so systematic, so I will have to get back to this to see what works and not works. By the way I actually know a lot about what doesn't work even though it should have worked (better). I guess I'm not doing it right...

edited:
“The shaft must start its journey on the plane of its address angle
of inclination.” Homer Kelley

We all need to remember that golf is a game with many different
games. Putting, pitching, fullswing, bunker play, etc....are all games
within the game of golf. It is impossible to balance all these games
without understanding how and how much is needed for
improvement.

“I am not disappointed when I miss a putt, I’m disappointed when I
miss-hit a putt.”

Just understand that a problem in set-up sets off a chain reaction of
compensations. By the same token, a proper set-up creates a chain
reaction of positive reactions in the golfswing.

Originally Posted by drewitgolf :

I am flying blind here. Not knowing your unique situation and the root causes without seeing your motion, I will make some general comments regarding Zone One. Your issues may not be in Zone One, but I’ll take that chance.

After you Start Down with a Slide with a Delayed Turn to create some Axis Tilt, incorporate the following… I have been using this drill with my students for quite sometime with great success.

Originally Posted by kmmcnabb
"You take your stance at the with your driver. Then take the driver and place it across your shoulders with the grip toward the target flush with your left shoulder and the head out the back (about two feet sticking out the back). Then you backswing to the top and on the downswing, try to hit the ball with the head of the driver (which you can't of course). This will give you immediate feel of getting the right shoulder down on plane. If you have not been doing this then it will feel quite different.

This single drill got me to focus on my right shoulder and I can now feel immediately when I am not down on plane with my right shoulder. I took film after this drill and the difference is quite startling."


Start Down with a Slide of your Hips with a DELAYED Turn and create some Axis Tilt so you can get your Right Shoulder moving down Plane (all of this around a Stationary Head). Learn to swing the Hands not the Clubhead. Drag the butt of the club toward the base of your Plane Line and feel the Uncocking and Rolling of the Flat Left Wrist.

Your hands will communicate all that is going on. The problem is most golfers are not listening. When Mr. Kelley wrote the current Chapter 5 (first appeared in the 4th edition I believe) it summarized the book in "a nut-shell" . SWING THE HANDS, MONITOR THE HANDS, Mr. Kelley wrote in capital letter. Nine times out of ten, your swing falls apart because you are not monitoring your hands, you are monitoring the Clubface. What they are telling you falls on deaf ears.

You are Over-loading (we'll save this one for another time), Round-housing, off Plane...The hands will communicate all of this if you will only pay attention. They, pressure points 1,2,3 located in the hands, are always trying to communicate, along with their distant cousin, the #4 Pressure Point. That is where your precision is if you use them; recognizing and reconcilling minor differences. The first step is to listen even if you don't speak the language yet.

Loading And Wrist Action -- Hitting Vs. Swinging
 

Quick start down...
 

Knees Do What The Knees Do -- Hips Do What The Hips Do
 

Slack
 

Right Shoulder Participation In The Hitter's Downstroke
 

Why do i have such a problem "swinging left?"
 

"THIS IS IMPORTANT!" -- Homer Kelley
 

Longitudinal Acceleration
 

1-L Machine Concept #9 Regardless of how Lever Assembly Driven . . .
 

Right Arm...Fold and Lift or Just Fold ??????
 

Right forearm pull?
 

Backstroke Lag Pressure
 

The Dreaded Shoulder Turn Spinout
 

Monitoring The On Plane Right Shoulder
 

Power Points
 

Power Package Delivery
 

How Do I Learn To Hit Down?
 

Make Your Motion...Let Your Motion Make The Shot
 

Accumlator #4 and the #4 Pressure Point
 

The Real Clubhead Lag!
 

First Move Down for Swingers
 

Drills
 

Fixing an off-plane downswing
 

A fourth Imperative?
 

If there should have been a fourth imperative, what should it be?

Goat humping or maybe

Both arms straight in the followthru?

Hitters are (normally) faders?
Swingers are (normally) drawers?

I am supposed to be a swinger, but I fade/slice more often than not.
Maybe there is some switting going on? (Whatever that may be..)

Air, tell us about our set-up and what Lynn had you work on. Be specific. Mid-Body Hands, Central Anchor, RFT, MacDonald Right -left, Drag the club-head up to Top or to End, Open Stance, etc. Specifics in = Specifics out!

I'll have to think deep and hard to be able to do this task. I'll give it a try - hope it doesn't give me a headache. I'll get back to it later today. Thanks for keeping me on my toes.

These were my notes after my first trip to Cuscowilla:
-I had to leave my belief of being a hitter - and that meant that the adjusted address position has come in instead of impact fix at address.

-There was a lot of aiming with sticks at the baseline (the magic right forearm and flying wedges?)
-We did some Taly training. Let the arms and hands do the work, not the wrists.
-Do not waggle over the ball with the wrists only - waggle both flying wedges just like when training with the Taly.
-Then learning the finish. The arrow thru the ears (shaft) must be at right angles to the baseline, not pointing backwards to the right of it.
-A stronger 3 knuckles grip.
-Learning to have my left shoulder pointing more to the right at set up.
-In my case it's advisable to have a somewhat closed stance to the baseline.
-High hands, but avoiding to have the left wrist uncocked at address.
-Don't just do this with the longer clubs, but give yourself space also on the shorter shots with a wedge.
-The right arm bent with a limber right elbow - not sticking out too much.
-Learn to drag the wet mop in both directions, so that the takeaway also has its lag in the mark time rhythm of the MacDonald exercises/brush- brush technique.
-At impact let the shoulders be square to the target line instead of moving to the left. Right shoulder lower than the left.
-Then the tricky part for me: The rolling of the left arm in the downswing/thru stroke.
-The importance of the last 3 fingers of the left hand and downtoning the right index finger.
-A better position at the top.
-The down stroke waggle
-A lot of club throwing.(real throwing of clubs on to the range - I'm pretty good at it)
-How to start down.
-Learning to kick in the right knee in the downstroke/thru stroke to get the ball in a better path and to get the weight a lot more into my left side than I have been doing.This is especially important for me because I had problems performing the left hip bump.
-A somewhat more rounded backstroke.
-Trying to avoid hitting straight down the target line but have a feeling of going a little accross it , but just the opposite way that I had always done (avoid OTT, out-to-in)
-Then extensor action and a lot training: shot after shot with different clubs - a lot of drives. And corrections and comments when I didn't get it right and trying to do it more and more correctly.
-Keep the head stationary. Don't let it be drawn to the right when doing extensor action.
-With the driver the ball is more forward than I was used to. Peg the ball up so that half the ball is over the head of the driver on the ground.
-Also chipping and pitching. The short bread and butter shot, cut shots, knock down shots, bunker shots, putting.
-If the divots are too deep - move the ball more forward in the stance.
-And a geometrical slideshow and some practical shot making on the course.

To mention some of the things I needed to work on.

....

I might add:
I suppose I'm using a RFT with a little drag to start with + EA.
I'm still having problems with OTT, so the startdown waggles need more work.
Probably not enough hip slide and axis tilt.
I'm not sure I have enough DOWN (uncocking of the LW) starting the followthru.
I don't always feel that I'm rolling the LW enough. Sometimes it feels like I'm blocking the ball.
I now stand closed to the target line, but try to be parallel to the plane- and delivery line in order to manipulate the shot so it goes straight instead of starting left and curving back to the right (slice).
Recently I have seen the importance of a complete finish - arrow thru the ears. It gives a lot better drives than when I just give it a mighty heave and leave it at that.

I fear that Plane and Tracing are things that I should have more focus on...

Sorry I can't sum this up in a more TGM like manner.

on plane
 

losing balance
 

ready,fire,aim
 

Thoughts On the Pre-Shot Routine
 

Picking one thing
 

Air, are your wrists "Flat" (left), and "bent" (right) consistently through all your chips and pitches. Often times when I Swing, I do not Forward Swivel, but bend my left wrist. I suggest forming your wedges and seeing if you can hit through the bag several times keeping your ball with a slight fade or draw or straight. Take your club to Acquired Motion after warming up and find the wobble.

You really must prepare that Forward Swivel by feeling like your front elbow is glued to your side. As you do it correctly, your feeling will become more relaxed, as if there is a wall preventing your head and body from moving forward with anything except planting your left heel. It is so weird to make a slight step and see the club zooming around your stationary head and crushing the ball as a Swinger. Remember the game "Freeze Tag?" I drag my club to the Top and freeze and then plant my left heel and the club explodes. I do it with HHinge tracing the Baseline of the plane and AHinge covering the club-head path. Club flies!

ICT

You have been here longer than me and know a lot more than I do - and have made greater achievements. So I always listen to what you have to say and the value of the information you are willing to give.

As far as I can tell I now have a flat(ish) LW and the corresponding BRW. Hope so at least.

The forward swivel is that the same as the rolling of the left/wrist? As far as I have gathered (for a swinger) the uncocking karate / flail move happens before the rolling of the left hand/wrist. Hitters on the other side do this simultaneously.