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airair 02-20-2012 04:33 AM

Right (Trail) Wrist Cock
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread2658.html

airair 02-20-2012 04:34 AM

Chicken Wing
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread2876.html

airair 02-20-2012 04:39 AM

VERY late elbow fold, wrist cock
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread2850.html

airair 02-20-2012 04:42 AM

Take Away?
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread2641.html

airair 02-20-2012 02:11 PM

Hogan's Swing
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread4.html

airair 02-20-2012 02:12 PM

PP1 and PP3 feel
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread35.html

airair 02-20-2012 02:13 PM

Position of the left thumb for hitting?
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread25.html

airair 02-20-2012 02:15 PM

Body Type/Hitting or Swinging?
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread90.html

airair 02-20-2012 02:16 PM

Extensor Action Question
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread80.html

airair 02-21-2012 06:30 AM

#4 Pressure Point
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread2598.html

airair 02-21-2012 06:34 AM

Flywheel Question
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread3080.html

airair 02-21-2012 06:37 AM

Does a Swinger to anything to square the face?
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread1762.html

airair 02-21-2012 06:40 AM

Roll - Hinge - Swivel
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread3101.html

airair 02-22-2012 06:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 90234)
The importance of DOWN in the downstroke, impact and followthru is a vital point, if I have understood this correctly. I guess that means that the FLW should go from level to uncocked as soon as possible thru the ball - to avoid any horizontal bending in the left wrist.

Is that correctly understood? Any TGM references I should study on this subject?

Does this also have relevance for how the flail works?

Or how CF is meant to work in the L Arm throwout motion by a swinger?

Or are these separate matters?

Could somebody still here on the forum clear this up for me?

........

TIMEOUT

Etzwane 02-22-2012 08:12 AM

my 2c: if I remmeber well the wrist would be fully uncocked at followthrough. Hastening the uncocking could throw the club head away from the plane.

Daryl 02-22-2012 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etzwane (Post 90243)
my 2c: if I remmeber well the wrist would be fully uncocked at followthrough. Hastening the uncocking could throw the club head away from the plane.

Exactly :)

airair 02-22-2012 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etzwane (Post 90243)
my 2c: if I remmeber well the wrist would be fully uncocked at followthrough. Hastening the uncocking could throw the club head away from the plane.

And not uncocking it (more than level) is also a problem?

Etzwane 02-22-2012 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 90248)
And not uncocking it (more than level) is also a problem?

Ideally one establishes the wedges, angle of approach, level wrists etc at Impact Fix, not returning to this at impact compromises the quality of impact.

I guess one could choose to have the wrists slightly cocked at Impact Fix but if one assumes that the left wrist is still fully uncocked at Follow Through then it changes the rate of uncocking through the impact zone and I don't know if one can maintain the sweetspot on plane in that case. :scratch:

airair 02-22-2012 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etzwane (Post 90253)
Ideally one establishes the wedges, angle of approach, level wrists etc at Impact Fix, not returning to this at impact compromises the quality of impact.

I guess one could choose to have the wrists slightly cocked at Impact Fix but if one assumes that the left wrist is still fully uncocked at Follow Through then it changes the rate of uncocking through the impact zone and I don't know if one can maintain the sweetspot on plane in that case. :scratch:

I still have a tendency to bend the LW / straighten the RW. My understanding is that the only(?) way to avoid this, is to get the vertical down movement going - for one can't go horizontal and vertical in the LW at the same time (?). So I have to get more down - and therefore uncocked in the followthru... I think.. That means that the level condition at impact/fix is an uncocking wrist still in movement downward?

Etzwane 02-22-2012 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 90254)
So I have to get more down - and therefore uncocked in the followthru... I think.. That means that the level condition at impact/fix is an uncocking wrist still in movement downward?

yes and yes (at impact). I think a good setup to get the feel would be a plane board dug into a fluffy sand bunker: one could slowly rehearse the feel of maintaining the sweetspot on plane past the ball, into the sand to low point and still uncocking to follow through.

airair 02-22-2012 07:19 PM

The Bent Right Wrist (4-A-2)
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread2715.html

airair 02-22-2012 07:23 PM

4-B-1 Level
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread2677.html

airair 02-22-2012 07:29 PM

Some Things Never Change
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=6156

airair 02-22-2012 07:33 PM

2-P Wrist Cock
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=3450

airair 02-23-2012 05:45 AM

Where is the back of right palm facing at the top
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread3110.html

airair 02-23-2012 05:46 AM

Role of the Right Shoulder
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread3048.html

airair 02-23-2012 05:49 AM

Under plane
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread3075.html

airair 02-23-2012 05:50 AM

Dumping the Lag Early
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread3120.html

airair 02-23-2012 08:03 AM

Pre Cuscowilla thoughts..
 
As some of you already know, I'm off to Cuscowilla for the third time in a couple of weeks.

What do you think I should use my time on (both now and then)?

Yoda knows of course, but I think it could be usefull to have some thoughts on this.

I'm a swinger (when not a hacker). But I have to learn a hitting technique as well in order to do angled hinging and punch shots - right?

I'm not sure how much time should be used to train on vertical hinging? Maybe none?

I have noticed that Jeff Hull says he even uses horizontal hinging in the bunker and that he can hit soft flop shots (on grass) with horizontal hinging and a 6 iron if he wants (!),so it seems you can accomplish a lot without learning to use vertical hinging?

I guess it's important to know about the 45 alignments - what they are and how they are done? All of them in detail?

And to know what kind of stroke pattern you (should) have?

I should have a good preshot and address routine and that may need some work?

Any other thoughts?

Etzwane 02-23-2012 04:42 PM

Difficult to say as I know know your game but I'd be working on the foundations: Impact Fix, establishing the wedges, Extensor Action and basic Curriculum (in particular identify the plane and how it feels to stay on plane) with the 3 hinges. From that you'll be able to pick up quickly with the adjustment Yoda will introduce and have a good basis for bringing it to Acquired and full motion.

airair 02-23-2012 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etzwane (Post 90272)
Difficult to say as I don't know your game but I'd be working on the foundations: Impact Fix, establishing the wedges, Extensor Action and basic Curriculum (in particular identify the plane and how it feels to stay on plane) with the 3 hinges. From that you'll be able to pick up quickly with the adjustment Yoda will introduce and have a good basis for bringing it to Acquired and total motion.

Thanks - I hear you.

Daryl 02-23-2012 06:30 PM

Can you Align the Flying Wedges at Right Angles to one another? This SHOULD be your first Alignment.

FYI, the #1 Alignment is the Flat Left Wrist; after the Flying Wedges............................

airair 02-23-2012 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 90274)
Can you Align the Flying Wedges at Right Angles to one another? This SHOULD be your first Alignment.

FYI, the #1 Alignment is the Flat Left Wrist; after the Flying Wedges............................

The flat level LW (and the LAFW) and the level bent RW (and the RFFW) together just like clapping the hands (but gripping the club)?

Daryl 02-23-2012 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 90275)
The flat level LW (and the LAFW) and the level bent RW (and the RFFW) together just like clapping the hands (but gripping the club)?

No,,,,,,,,,,not even close........

Have Yoda show you the Alignment.

Without the Right Angle Alignment, you'll almost always have more or less Left Wrist Bend at or after Impact. The Right Angle Wedge Alignment is the Only Alignment that makes "Magic of the Right Forearm" possible without Cocking the Right Wrist (which is the MOTRF). Also, Hinging will always be difficult because you're forced to add a little swivel for each Impact. That means, steering, etc, etc.

You should understand this very critical Alignment and why it's so important. You can only "Learn" this Alignment at Impact Fix.

Quote:

6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES The Clubhead may appear to move in an arc around and outside the Hands when related to the Left Arm – the very basic Left Arm Flying Wedge. But when related to the Right Forearm, it appears to move “On Plane” with the Right Forearm, at its normal rigid angle (Bent Right Wrist) – the Right Forearm Flying Wedge. So – except in Sections 1 and 3 (Chapter '8') the entire Left Arm, the Clubshaft and the back of the Left Hand are ALWAYS positioned against the same flat plane – the plane of the Left Wristcock motion. At the same time, the Right Forearm and the Clubshaft are, in like manner, positioned on the plane of the Right Wrist Bend AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE. That is the precision assembly and alignment of the Power Package structure and is mandatory during the entire motion. Hitting or Swinging. Study 4-D-1 regarding “Grip” and “Flat Left Wrist”. Also see 7-3. Then, ideally, the Left Wrist is always Flat and the Right Wrist is always Level (4-A-1, 4-B-1).

Did you notice the use of "BOLD" and "Capitalization". Have you ever seen so much emphasis in any other paragraph in the entire book?

airair 02-23-2012 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 90276)
No,,,,,,,,,, Have Yoda show you the Alignment.

Without the Right Angle Alignment, you'll almost always have more or less Left Wrist Bend at or after Impact. The Right Angle Wedge Alignment is the Only Alignment that makes "Magic of the Right Forearm" possible without Cocking the Right Wrist (which is the MOTRF). Also, Hinging will always be difficult because you're forced to add a little swivel for each Impact. That means, steering, etc, etc.

You should understand this very critical Alignment and why it's so important. You can only "Learn" this Alignment at Impact Fix.

I must have misunderstood the Alignment Golf DVD then, for I thought I heard Yoda make this point of the hands /rackets coming together in that fashion when he was explaining the Flying Wedges. But I'll certainly ask him about it - if he doesn't clear it up here in this thread...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3C1__L5usM

Daryl 02-23-2012 07:15 PM

Here he goes again. Notice, please notice that "the Flying Wedges’ alignments, as always, never waver." in the 2nd paragraph.

Notice that this statement is directly followed by "maximum Swing Radius (10-19-C) are resistances to Impact Decelerations" and that this is followed by "each must establish before – not during – Impact (2-M-1)."

Quote:

7-1 GRIPS – BASIC Basic Grip is the term indicating the mere act of holding on to the Club and relates primarily to the proximity of the Hands. They simply are either close enough to overlap or they are not close enough to overlap. So all non-overlapping Grips are Baseball Grips.

The Grips of Hitters and Swingers must differ in tightness. But still per 1-L-3, 6-B-3-0-1, 7-3 and 10-6-B. For the Swinger, Centrifugal Force Uncocks BOTH the Left Wrist and the Right Elbow per 7-19 and 7-20. So both must remain “Passive” but never “Whippy.” For the Hitter, the Right Triceps become “Active” and execute both Uncocking motions with a firmness that approaches the mandatory rigidity of the Right Wrist. With both procedures, the Flying Wedges’ alignments, as always, never waver. Grip types other than the Strong Single Action (10-2-B) either destroy the Wedges or produce inferior deviations. Also study 3-F-6. The prestressed (bent) clubshaft (10-19-A) and maximum Swing Radius (10-19-C) are resistances to Impact Decelerations that each must establish before – not during – Impact (2-M-1).

airair 02-23-2012 07:30 PM

Confused
 
In the Flying Wedges video the rackets come together like Yoda shows. It's possible to do this motion without rackets just using the palms of the hands (FLW + BRW). That would be the R.hand making the motion up and down like clapping the L hand staying in place just like the the racket in the L hand. What's wrong with that?

O.B.Left 02-23-2012 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 90270)
I'm a swinger (when not a hacker). But I have to learn a hitting technique as well in order to do angled hinging and punch shots - right?

I have noticed that Jeff Hull says he even uses horizontal hinging in the bunker and that he can hit soft flop shots (on grass) with horizontal hinging and a 6 iron if he wants (!),so it seems you can accomplish a lot without learning to use vertical hinging?



You can Swing and angle hinge and/or hit punch shots. But learning to Hit them would be good too if you're ready for it.

Horizontal is good for bunker shots ... longer ones in particular . You have to use the bounce and a Sweep Release Id say, get the shaft vertical at address and at impact. Luke Donald comes to mind. You don't have to cut it with Vertical all the time. Vertical is great for the short ones though where you need spin to stop the ball.

Are you sure Jeff said 6 iron flop shot with Horizontal? Rotated Plane Line and Vertical I can see but Horizontal? Jeff's a magician , so I won't bet against it.

Have fun Air.

airair 02-23-2012 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 90280)
You can Swing and angle hinge and/or hit punch shots. But learning to Hit them would be good too if you're ready for it.

Horizontal is good for bunker shots ... longer ones in particular . You have to use the bounce and a Sweep Release Id say, get the shaft vertical at address and at impact. Luke Donald comes to mind. You don't have to cut it with Vertical all the time. Vertical is great for the short ones though where you need spin to stop the ball.

Are you sure Jeff said 6 iron flop shot with Horizontal? Rotated Plane Line and Vertical I can see but Horizontal? Jeff's a magician , so I won't bet against it.

Have fun Air.

Thanks.
Jeff is doing this with the necessary adjustments. Just for show. Cut shot - open, open.
Do you have any remarks to what Daryl is trying to teach me and where I have gone wrong?

Daryl 02-23-2012 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 90281)
Thanks.
Jeff is doing this with the necessary adjustments. Just for show. Cut shot - open, open.
Do you have any remarks to what Daryl is trying to teach me and where I have gone wrong?

The Flying Wedge alignments are real and this (I believe) alignment is key to almost everything else in the Golfing Machine. I tried on different occasions to explain the Alignment in different ways. In one thread I used red dots on the wrists, in another I explained how to swing a bucket and keep its Top edge horizontal to the ground, and finally in another I designed and made "Hinge Sticks" which, if used would align the wedges at Right Angles or at least the Right Forearm Wedge would "Finally" be On-Plane for Impact. I'm giving up on the written word with drawings as the best medium to explain things. I think that some things need something more visual as with video or face to face communication.

Until then.....


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