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KevCarter 12-18-2011 07:38 PM

Any of my LBG friends wishing to see and/or download my documents is more than welcome to. Also a lot of great video from Yoda and friends.

http://public.me.com/kevinpgapro1234

Password: kcproLBG

All free, all the time. I no longer update it, but it's all valid.

Kevin

O.B.Left 12-18-2011 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 88916)
What does it mean to obliterate the plane line?
How is it done?
Why is it important?


....
Posted by 12 piece bucket:

I think this is where yellow book devotees can get of track....it is the CLUBHEAD that is moving cross line OUT to the plane line...not nessarily the hands....do some look look look.....if you take your hands out to the plane the clubhead wants to "laydown" underplane and swing to far underneath plane line shifted right and low point compromised.....

Imagine that the butt cap of the club has a flashlight in it...you need to get the butt cap (flashlight) looking back at your left hip to get the clubhead to throw OUT to the plane line...


Interesting. When Im using a (Left) Wrist Throw I do, very much, try to hammer the club head at the plane line with the left hand turned to plane. Making it a Non Auto Wrist Throw I guess. When Im using a (Right) Shoulder Turn Throw I try to trace the plane line with my right shoulder and my hands on the same plane angle as my Right Shoulder. Turned Shoulder Plane. Not just the ball or aiming point but the line for a long as necessary. I actually work on it with a set of those Batch Herman laser lights (not sure if I can make a plug for a competitors products around here). Ill try pointing the butt end at my left hip and see what happens. hmm maybe this is how somebody came up with that laser hair removal idea? I been wondering about that one.

Etzwane 12-19-2011 03:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 88921)
Any of my LBG friends wishing to see and/or download my documents is more than welcome to. Also a lot of great video from Yoda and friends.

http://public.me.com/kevinpgapro1234

Password: kcproLBG

All free, all the time. I no longer update it, but it's all valid.

Kevin

Huge ! Thanks Kevin ! :salut:

and again thanks Air for this thread !

airair 12-19-2011 05:42 AM

Question regarding Left Wrist please
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7079.html

airair 12-19-2011 05:44 AM

Set-up questions
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7083.html

airair 12-19-2011 05:48 AM

Left Shoulder ?
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7088.html

airair 12-19-2011 05:50 AM

Shoulder turns
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7089.html

airair 12-19-2011 05:52 AM

Right Forearm Plane
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7094.html

KevCarter 12-19-2011 07:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Etzwane (Post 88926)
Huge ! Thanks Kevin ! :salut:

and again thanks Air for this thread !

You are very welcome!

airair 12-19-2011 08:37 AM

Learning Extensor Action
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=313

airair 12-19-2011 08:54 AM

8-5 Backstroke
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread2701.html

airair 12-19-2011 08:57 AM

8-6 Section 6-The Top (Preparations)
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread2721.html

airair 12-19-2011 03:52 PM

Homer Kelley Drills
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=2224

whip 12-19-2011 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 88898)
What does it mean to obliterate the plane line?
How is it done?
Why is it important?

......

From O.B.Left :


My take on it:

To trace the Plane Line is golf's geometry given the circular like club head orbit and the inclined plane.

To "obliterate" the Plane Line is to add force , physics to the geometry.

But the direction of Thrust and the Line of Flight of the club head are not similarly aligned.

I don't have my book with me right now, but somewhere in the 1-Ls Homer discusses how the thrust is down and out towards the plane line prior to impact, after impact up to and including both arms straight. This is a geometric riddle in a way. The thrust is cross line towards the plane line even though the club head (post low point) is travelling UP and IN.

This cross line thrust is readily apparent to those who employ the Aiming Point Procedure and/or an Active Right Arm Right Throw but it is equally important if less apparent or intuitive for the Swinger who Homer regarded as having a similar thrust a similar right arm throwing motion though a product of CF rather than active right arm muscle. This is why Homer thought all Swingers should experiment with Hitting I believe. To sense this cross line direction of thrust.

So swingers and hitters alike Thrust cross line towards the Plane Line both prior to and after impact. I'm referring here to a square plane line procedure of course. The Hitter's Angle of Approach procedure being a slightly different deal in terms of the direction of the plane line.


So for me anyways to destroy the plane line is the physics of thrusting at the Plane Line. If hitting a cross line throwing motion, swinging a similar but passive right arm extension. See the Aiming Point procedure (the alternate to the Tracing Procedure) as it seems to be related and makes this direction of this thing more intuitive.

I can't remember who said this but I've always liked it. The idiot's guide to TGM : "Keeping swinging out until your divots point at the target. " (although the divots themselves are really slightly curved).

It could be rewritten to be "keep thrusting out until you can see the club heads blur cover the arc of approach and trace the straight line plane line." But only a few would understand that one.

Again I'm writing quickly and have probably made some errors or typos . Let me know if this makes sense.

PS - it'd be interesting to hear what others had to say about this. I'm also wondering what the context was when Homer made this statement. It might shed some light on his thinking.

air I am not sure where obliterate the plane line came from? doesnt sound like a good thing. is that the statement you are referring to? I am not familiar with homer stating anything about obliterating the plane line but of course i maybe am just not remembering it, or are you referring to the downward thrust even when the club is going up and in?

whip 12-19-2011 04:05 PM

obliterate?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 88898)
What does it mean to obliterate the plane line?
How is it done?
Why is it important?

......

From O.B.Left :


My take on it:

To trace the Plane Line is golf's geometry given the circular like club head orbit and the inclined plane.

To "obliterate" the Plane Line is to add force , physics to the geometry.

But the direction of Thrust and the Line of Flight of the club head are not similarly aligned.

I don't have my book with me right now, but somewhere in the 1-Ls Homer discusses how the thrust is down and out towards the plane line prior to impact, after impact up to and including both arms straight. This is a geometric riddle in a way. The thrust is cross line towards the plane line even though the club head (post low point) is travelling UP and IN.

This cross line thrust is readily apparent to those who employ the Aiming Point Procedure and/or an Active Right Arm Right Throw but it is equally important if less apparent or intuitive for the Swinger who Homer regarded as having a similar thrust a similar right arm throwing motion though a product of CF rather than active right arm muscle. This is why Homer thought all Swingers should experiment with Hitting I believe. To sense this cross line direction of thrust.

So swingers and hitters alike Thrust cross line towards the Plane Line both prior to and after impact. I'm referring here to a square plane line procedure of course. The Hitter's Angle of Approach procedure being a slightly different deal in terms of the direction of the plane line.


So for me anyways to destroy the plane line is the physics of thrusting at the Plane Line. If hitting a cross line throwing motion, swinging a similar but passive right arm extension. See the Aiming Point procedure (the alternate to the Tracing Procedure) as it seems to be related and makes this direction of this thing more intuitive.

I can't remember who said this but I've always liked it. The idiot's guide to TGM : "Keeping swinging out until your divots point at the target. " (although the divots themselves are really slightly curved).

It could be rewritten to be "keep thrusting out until you can see the club heads blur cover the arc of approach and trace the straight line plane line." But only a few would understand that one.

Again I'm writing quickly and have probably made some errors or typos . Let me know if this makes sense.

PS - it'd be interesting to hear what others had to say about this. I'm also wondering what the context was when Homer made this statement. It might shed some light on his thinking.

air I am not sure where obliterate the plane line came from? doesnt sound like a good thing. is that the statement you are referring to? I am not familiar with homer stating anything about obliterating the plane line but of course i maybe am just not remembering it, or are you referring to the downward thrust even when the club is going up and in?

airair 12-19-2011 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whip (Post 88940)
air I am not sure where obliterate the plane line came from? doesnt sound like a good thing. is that the statement you are referring to? I am not familiar with homer stating anything about obliterating the plane line but of course i maybe am just not remembering it, or are you referring to the downward thrust even when the club is going up and in?

I believe (but may be mistaken) that Yoda has come up with this formulation.

Later: The search give this result:
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ght=obliterate
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ght=obliterate
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ght=obliterate
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ght=obliterate
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ght=obliterate

airair 12-19-2011 05:45 PM

10-18-A Standard Wrist Action & 10-18-C Single Wrist Action
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread2734.html

airair 12-19-2011 05:49 PM

10-9-A Is "Dragging the Club" Back Okay?
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread4490.html

airair 12-19-2011 05:51 PM

From The Top -- Your Way
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread4605.html

airair 12-19-2011 06:22 PM

The Golfing Machine
 
THE GOLFING MACHINE is about making thoughtful and
knowledgeable Choices leading to the ultimate goal of
having an Uncompensated Stroke Pattern.

The three all-encompassing Primary Concepts on which all details can be easily
attached as they surface - THE HINGE ACTION (2-G)
of an ANGULAR MOTION (2-K) operating on an INCLINED PLANE (2-F)

"Give me a flat left wrist, a lag pressure point
and a straight plane line, I can teach anyone to play golf"

THE SECRET OF GOLF IS NOT A POSITION - IT’S A PRESSURE!

The FLAT LEFT WRIST controls the CLUB-FACE
LAG PRESSURE
CLUB ALWAYS ON PLANE
Centered Pivot - STEADY HEAD ALWAYS CENTERED Between The Feet
EXTENSOR ACTION should feel like an ounce that produces a ton of structure.

"Never take away something a student does naturally." -- BUTCH HARMON

If you don't like a given Component Variation, recommended or otherwise, then
HOMER KELLEY would be the first to tell you to avoid it and use something
else. The reasons for 'not liking' something ranges from physical inability to
execute to psychological. There are ten trillion Strokes in TGM, roughly half
Hitting and half Swinging. Use the one(s) you like. Again quoting HOMER, "Do
whatever you like. Have fun! Enjoy the game!" HOMER KELLEY

MENTAL GAME – LYNN BLAKE

The Mental Game in Golf has three purposes:

1) In Learning, to gain over time a crystal clear understanding of the
necessary Golf Stroke Mechanics. This is the Blueprint.

2) In Practice, to translate those precision Mechanics into identifiable Feels
through the conscious programming of the subconscious mind. This is the
Process.

3) In Play, to use your imagination (born of experience) to visualize the
alternative shots for the situation at hand; weigh risk against reward,
particularly in the light of your own capabilities; and to choose among
them wisely.

Then, to employ

(1) A disciplined Pre-Shot Routine (with its own set of Visualizations and
Feels) that will program the Computer for its essential responsibility
(Execution Control)

(2) A disciplined Post-Shot Routine that will reinforce the intended Stroke;
set the stage for a successful outcome on the next Stroke; and avoid
the negative psychological and physical consequences of dwelling on
past mistakes. This is the Art.

These activities combine to produce an effective, efficient Golf Stroke.

A Golf Stroke you own.

A Golf Stroke you can "turn loose and trust".

"There is a reason why most golfers don't trust their swing. It's because their
swing (including its programming) isn't trustworthy." – YODA

Focus on the back of the ball, not the inside quadrant.
The new balls just want to go straight! –- LARRY MOWRY

airair 12-19-2011 08:31 PM

2011 PGA T&C Summit / Armless Sleeve Drill / Extensor Action
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=7962

airair 12-19-2011 08:34 PM

Hand Controlled Pivot
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=6010

airair 12-19-2011 09:23 PM

Six pages for Your viewing Pleasure
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...Rhode+Islan d #58 Drew
There were many things that didn't make the cut do to time constraits: 24 Components, Twelve Sections, etc...
The explanation was more detailed then the outline, but I hope it helps:

The Golfing Machine (G.O.L.F.) by Homer Kelley
Drew Chapman PGA, Authorized Instructor of The Golfing Machine

General Guidelines for your student to see progress

1. Understand the Information in their best way (details, visual, one thought, feel)
Instructor’s responsibility is to Inform and Explain
Encourage the student to ask questions.

2. Remember the Information –write it down. It is going to take some work and study

3. Correct Information. Objective (Geometry and Physics) vs. Subjective (Golf Lore)

Newton’s First Three Laws

1. The Law of Inertia
2. Force and Acceleration
3. Reacting Forces

Lawyers, Accountants, Doctors, Engineers, Mechanics, etc. spend years learning their craft. They don’t deal in subjectives. Demanding that golf Instruction be kept simple does not make it simple, only incomplete. You need a vast tool chest if you are going to tune a racecar.
Guided Struggle vs. a blind struggle

4. The Student’s Ability to Absorb and Apply

Recognizing major difference before recognizing minor differences.
Let Mechanics produce, Look, Look, Look, let feel reproduce.
Educated Hands sense pressure points and Alignments

Making a difference motion vs. a better one

Homer Kelley, author of The Golfing Machine, 1907-1983

· “Problem Solver” at Boeing Aircraft
· Lesson gift from his boss at an indoor range at night in Seattle
· First Round-two 60’s
· Shot a 77 in 5 months, but why? Area golf pros (experts) could not give him the answer he sought.
· 16 years later- the Flat Left Wrist
· 28 years to write the first edition
· 40 years to complete the sixth edition
· His Vision was to provide the Correct Information to the Golfing Public

"Past Untruths" TGM has had to live with: it is strictly a method, strictly mechanics, way too complicated.
Reality: Complete System based on Options and Variations, Feel System based on Educated Hands.

Stroke Pattern Concept

· 24 Components-actions that can be properly executed in more than one way: Constants or Samenesses
· 144 Cataloged Variations: Variables or Differences
· 446,512,500,000,000,000 ways to do it right
· My Way (My System) vs. The Way (Their Method)

Terminology in the book is dictionary definitions.

The Problem
· Hit the back of the ball with a square clubface,
· swinging forward
· swinging down the line or move the clubhead in a straight line before or after Impact.

The Number #1 Cause for bad shots is a Bent Left Wrist and Loss of Rhythm (clubshaft and Left Arm not staying in line).

Bare-boned definition of the Golf Stroke:

· the Hinge Action
· of an Angular Motion
· on an Incline Plane

The Three Functions of the Club
· Clubface
· Clubhead
· Clubshaft

The Three Imperatives (things we must have)
· Flat Left Wrist-Clubface Control-Hinge Action
· Lag Pressure Point-Clubhead control-Angular (circular) Motion
· Straight Plane Line-Clubshaft Control-Inclined Plane (Heart and Soul of the Motion)

Three Essentials (things that are nice to have)
· Stationary Head
· Balance
· Rhythm

The Three Stations (Static)
· Station 1 Address- be as prepared as possible
· Station 2 The Top- be as precise as possible
· Station 3 The Finish- be as smooth and complete as possible through Impact to the Finish

The Star System Triad

· The Three Imperatives
· Controlling the Three Functions
· Through the Three Stations


Geometry of Circle
· Center -Left Shoulder
· Radius-bottom of the radius is the bottom of the stroke, low point (in the ground) always points at the plane lines
· Tangent
· Chord
· Impact
· Plane (visualized as having four corners) pitched roof
· Club moves downward thru impact, outward and forward (three dimensional)
· On Plane means pointing the clubshaft (sweetspot) at the Plane Line, by tracing with the right forearm and right forefinger, or the clubshaft is parallel to the Plane Line (gutter of the roof).
· Plane can tilt as long as you don’t change the base line (gutter)
· Hands visually cover Left Foot
· Right Forearm points well in front of the ball on Plane

Plane Shifts can be hazardous
A Zero Shift Plane-Right shoulder turns to the plane of the right forearm (right shoulder, #3 pressure point and sweet spot all on the same plane) and move down the plane through the target line into the ground to the low point (great hidden line). Three dimensional impact.
Plane line, Stance line, Target line are normally parallel


The Three Basic Wrist Motions
· Horizontal Flat Bent Arched
· Perpendicular Level Cocked Uncocked
· Rotational Vertical Turned Rolled

Law of the Flail-Left Arm creates a Flail (how farmers beat wheat)
· Centrifugal Acceleration
· Centrifugal Momentum
· Centrifugal Deceleration

Golfer’s Flail
· cocking and uncocking (Accumulator 2) Clubhead Motion
· turning and rolling (Accumulator 3) Clubface Motion
· There are no Horizontal Motions.

Alignment of Educated Hands
· Have to learn to go through the ball with a Flat Left Wrist and a Bent Right Wrist. Flattening the Right Wrist (horizontal motion) destroys the Flat Left Wrist.
· Once the left wrist uncocks to a Level Condition, The Flail should roll (on a line).
· Left Arm Flying Wedge-Plane of the Left Wrist cock Motion-vertical plane
When the club is gripped under the heel pad you have an angle: Angle of the #3 Accumulator (Left Arm Flying Wedge)
· Right Forearm Arm Flying Wedge the wrinkles are in the back of the wrist
Right Forearm and shaft on the same plane (right wrist is always level, never cocked or uncocked)
· Wedges are always at right angles or at 90 degrees to one another and are always in Impact Alignments.

Physics-Optional Procedures, Power Considerations
· A Pull (Swinging)
· A Push (Hitting)

Power Package
· Arms and Club

Four Power Accumulators
o #1 Right Arm (Elbow Drive Out) Muscle Power
o #2 Left Wrist (Cock and Uncock) Velocity Power
o #3 Left Hand, forearm and Clubshaft (Turn and Roll) Transfer Power
o #4 Left Arm and Left Shoulder (Centrifugal Throwout) Radius Power
Lower Power use only one accumulator. Full Power for the Swinger uses Three Accumulators. The Hitter uses Four Accumulators.

· Four corresponding Pressure Points-The Feel of Educated Hands
o #1 Heel of the Right Hand against the base of the Left Hand Thumb
o #2 Last Three fingers of the Left Hand
o #3 Right Hand Fore Finger
o #4 Left Arm contact against the Chest

Swinging
Adjusted Address: left wrist bent, right wrist straight (unlike impact condition)
Swing back motion to the Top using Extensor Action, stretching pulling out the left arm to get maximum width, to swing the club back along the Plane of the Right Forearm all the way to the Top.
(Startup Swivel) Left hand turns early to get on the face of the plane then comes up the face of the plane.
At end, the weight of the club causes the club to Load against knuckle of the right index finger.
Drag the butt end club toward the line
Left Hand Karate Chop Action through the line of sight to the ball
4-2-3 Sequenced Release (three stage rocket). (Accumulator1 is passive with the swinger): Club is thrown out using the right shoulder to blast the left arm off chest (#4 Accumulator) accentuated by wrist motion throw-out action releases of the left wrist cock (#2 accumulator) followed by wrist roll (#3 accumulator) into the Horizontal Hinge (closing only) Action to the finish.
Three Swivels (Startup Swivel, Release Swivel which mirrors the start up swivel, (Hinge Action), Finish Swivel)
Swingers-Rope Handle-shaft acts as a piece of string (functions as a rope). Don’t push on a piece of string. You whirl it out.

Hitting
Startup from a more structure Position with flat left, bent right wrist
Extensor Action “carry-back” with right forearm
Turns and rolls simultaneously all the time
Resists the backstroke from going to end, clubshaft stays high, behind the shaft
Hips lead to take out slack
4-1-2-3 Simulateous Release (batteries in parallel), Right Shoulder acts as a back-stop, actively uses his right tricep to drive the right forearm through the ball.
The right arm (elbow) as it uncocks, also uncocks the left wrist and simultaneously rolls left hand), gradual rolling all the time.
Angled Hinge-simultaneous close and layback
One swivel only, Finish Swivel
Hitters-Axe Handle-Shaft acts as an Ax Handle, stiffness is important. He needs all the support he can get to push against.

The Power Package assembly and sequence of operation
· Accumulate
· Load
· Store
· Deliver
· Release

Execution
· All Quick and Jerky motions are improper
· The Ideal: Deliberate (Down, Out and Forward), Positive (Acceleration), and Heavy (Clubhead Lag)
· Every move is coldly Deliberate, Calculated and Disciplined.
· Hit the ball with the Pressure Points in your Hands, not by flinging the clubhead at the ball.

The Formula for Ball Speed: (70% of your clubhead approach speed + 100% of your clubhead separation speed). While clubhead speed is important, you must also have resistance to slow down.

Three Types of Lag
1. Pivot Lag-every lagging component puts a drag on the leading components, Gear Train. Starts from the ground up
2. Accumulator Lag (Power Package, package of the Power Accumulators-the Triangle) located in the upper torso
3. Clubhead Lag- clubhead feel is sensed in the right fore finger is never released, senses acceleration. IT is the SECRET OF GOLF!

Hinge Action (club Face control)-duplicated in the Left shoulder. Hinge Assembly has a pin, mounting and a blade. The Pin is always mounted vertical or perpendicular to one of Three Basic Planes: Horizontal (ground), Angled (between the floor and the wall) or Vertical (wall). The Hinge always moves 90 degrees around the pin in a circle.

· Horizontal Hinge-closing only cluface motion, produces a roll, feels like a full roll of the Flat Left Wrist
· Angled Hinge-simulataneous closing and layback clubface motion, produces a half roll, feels like a no roll of the Flat Left Wrist
· Vertical Hinge-layback only clubface motion (stays square to the line), produces a no roll, feels like a reverse roll of the Flat Left Wrist

Dual Actions keeps Horizontal and Vertical on Plane. Angled Hinge is already on Plane and does not need a dual arrangement.
__________________
Drew

Let Your Motion Make the Shot.

Daryl 12-19-2011 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 88958)
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...Rhode+Islan d

Dual Actions keeps Horizontal and Vertical on Plane. Angled Hinge is already on Plane and does not need a dual arrangement.

Dual Hinge (Dual Vertical or Dual Horizontal). Two Pins, one for Clubface, one for Clubhead. It is possible for the Clubhead to travel one orbital Plane (undisturbed) while the Clubface is aligned to another.

airair 12-20-2011 07:00 AM

this is not a dumb question-I hope
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7135.html

airair 12-20-2011 07:03 AM

Steve Stricker Putting Analysis
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7071.html

airair 12-20-2011 07:05 AM

starting down for swingers
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread7144.html

airair 12-20-2011 07:06 AM

How Do I Start Down?
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread6378.html

airair 12-20-2011 07:10 AM

The Golfing Machine Waggles
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ght=start+down

airair 12-20-2011 07:13 AM

Milk And Poison
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=5985

airair 12-20-2011 07:14 AM

Raving Fans
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=5986

airair 12-20-2011 07:17 AM

A Closed Question
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=5989

airair 12-20-2011 07:18 AM

All Clear
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=5991

airair 12-20-2011 07:19 AM

Educated Hands And The Pivot
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=5883

airair 12-20-2011 07:21 AM

Toward A Hand-Controlled pivot
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=5973

airair 12-20-2011 07:22 AM

Mr. Whippy
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=5978

airair 12-20-2011 09:02 AM

Start down
 
From the Top, Swingers should Load, then let'er rip! "Blast" the Left Arm toward Impact (2-M-4)
..

I would like to know some more about this loading matter.

Exactly what happens?
How is it done?

Is it the two opposite directions - club still going back as the lower body is starting to go the other way?

Is it lag that's being stored?

In the cocked left wrist - or what?

I would appreciate to have this elaborated - so detailed and elementary as possible.

Anybody?

PS:

The period of Shoulder Accleration from the top - is it both shoulders we are talking about - or is it the right shoulder for hitters and the left shoulder for swingers?

Right Shoulder Thrust - is that a hitter's item - or does it also apply for the swinger?

Yoda 12-20-2011 03:38 PM

Right Shoulder Rules!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 88978)

The period of Shoulder Accleration from the top - is it both shoulders we are talking about - or is it the right shoulder for hitters and the left shoulder for swingers?

Right Shoulder Thrust - is that a hitter's item - or does it also apply for the swinger?

Always the Right Shoulder, Air, for both Hitters and Swingers. Remember, the Left Shoulder is not On Plane. Therefore, other than the Fix alignments (8-2, 7-8, 3-F-5, 7-2, 12-5-3 Section 2, and 2-J-1) the geometry of Shoulder Control (2-H) always deals with the Right Shoulder.

:golfcart2:

airair 12-20-2011 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 88983)
Always the Right Shoulder, Air, for both Hitters and Swingers. Remember, the Left Shoulder is not On Plane. Therefore, other than the Fix alignments (8-2, 7-8, 3-F-5, 7-2, 12-5-3 Section 2, and 2-J-1) the geometry of Shoulder Control (2-H) always deals with the Right Shoulder.

:golfcart2:

Thanks.
Let's see if I get this.

The period of shoulder acceleration in the start down (from the ground up) is the right shoulder. At the same time the swinger's left arm is blasted off its loaded/stored position down to impact.

Since both arms are attached to the club, is the right shoulder acceleration and the left arm blast off something that is going on simultanously or does one of them start first?

The left arm blast off is that the spinning flywheel and a CF pivot motion as well?

Or am I making a fool of myself with these questions?

BTW: Sustain the lag. Until ... release? That's where the (law of the) flail begins the work?

O.B.Left 12-21-2011 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 88984)
Thanks.
Let's see if I get this.

The period of shoulder acceleration in the start down (from the ground up) is the right shoulder. At the same time the swinger's left arm is blasted off its loaded/stored position down to impact.

Startdown by definition commences when the right shoulder moves toward the plane line. The period of shoulder acceleration.... both shoulders but only the right is aligned to something ... the left goes where it must to accommodate the right.

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Since both arms are attached to the club, is the right shoulder acceleration and the left arm blast off something that is going on simultanously or does one of them start first?
For full power shots with delayed release the right shoulder will accelerate down the plane and thereby take the fully loaded power accumulators with it. Which includes the (not yet blasting off left arm) or power accumulator #4. If the right shoulder stays back the hands must keep going which means the left arm must leave the chest. Release of #4.

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The left arm blast off is that the spinning flywheel and a CF pivot motion as well?
Classically the Swinger spins the flywheel, his pivot , creating a CF, the basic rotational motion of golf while the passive left arm lags behind , stays glued to the chest until such time as the pivot slows and CF throws the left arm off the chest .... the left arm accelerates away from the chest, or blasts off.
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Or am I making a fool of myself with these questions?

BTW: Sustain the lag. Until ... release? That's where the (law of the) flail begins the work?
Sustain it as long as you can. It , lag pressure as sensed in your hands is directly related to acceleration. You want to accelerate slowly , consistently and for as long as you can, as its so easy to slow down prior to impact. You don't want to start off too fast at a rate of accelerating that is beyond your ability to maintain. Its better to accelerate gradually to be slow and heavy and accelerate at a rate which you can maintain than it is to be light , quick and decelerate prior to impact. Turtle and hare.

I know Homer talked about the swingers quick initial move but that was a "flip of the hips" which spun the shoulders (flywheel) but it only took the golfer from End to Top . Quick "initial" not quick and lasting. Nothing to do with quick initial hand or arm acceleration from top which always causes problems.

Uh I think that perhaps its my answers which are foolish.... wouldn't be the first time. We're in this together Air.

I cant imagine reading Homer with English as a second language. Please know that not all of our authors are so confusing. Have you read anything by Marshall McLuhan? :)


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