No worries, James
 

When I pass the National Teaching Boards next year, or feel like I did, I have my eye on some JPX's of course, I will get Lynn to fit me at the Swamp. :)

The salesperson at Golfsmith was vaguely Canadian! LOL

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City,
Best of luck with your National Board exams. That is really a big deal in the teaching world and should make you a coveted commodity. You would, of course, retain your rights to "oddity" as well.
One of my high schoolers was fit for a new driver at one of those big box golf stores. He came with an R shaft and hit it all over the ball park. This is a kid with ss range of upper 90's to 106. I sent him back for a real shaft.
Good luck this weekend on the course, Pal.

My 10 year old Adam's 9.5 is awesome!
 

Thanks Jerry, I will try to reduplicate the smooth 2 over you recently shot! :happy3:

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Let's see. 47 putts plus 7 wedges further away than where I started...
 

Ummm, :( :( :confused: 94!


What I did wrong-went for every putt!, Forgot to hit wedges 1/2 way to hole 7 times.

Forgot to putt my chips, and putts close to the hole. :confused:


Impact Fix, Delayed Pivot/no Pivot, Level left wrist, RFT below shoulder, drop the elbow to return to Impact fix got me close enough to get super greedy! &D:

Going out tomorrow morning to putt my chips and putts! :doh:

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Decided on a pattern almost...
 

Whip, I am enjoying watching your swings. I was tired of being 40 yards behind one of my former club champions yesterday and decided to go to a more automatic trigger.

RFT'd the club-head back from mid-body hands, tracing and popped my right knee to the inside quadrant of the ball and though I missed the dead solid middle of the fairway by about 30 feet left, I had gained about 30 yards. :)

That automatic trigger gave me a lot of confidence as I played and simply forgot to open the club-face to compensate for the roll of the club face. I also forgot to square my shoulders as I putted and hooked a lot of makeable 10' putts.

It's very cool not having to worry about the down stroke and getting a little extra distance. Lynn was right to work with me to get my lower body active. I'm starting to feel very balanced though my left leg is almost 1.25 " than my right leg. I had avoided to much lower body movement but the RFT let's me go up to Acquired Motion and feel very balanced and relaxed. One of our former club pros commented to another of our foursome that he should try to be as balanced in his shots as I am.


http://youtu.be/AlqtEz_-Zx8



http://youtu.be/ClbNjsbPoEQ

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Current swing keys

Keep head still no swiveling or tilting with the neck, practice with a tee between teeth, seems simple but don't let the picture you see at address move around

Feel like chest stays high, proud posture, as tall and close as possible

Extensor action

Stance / shoulder alignment check

Ball position check

Passive right arm, left arm swinging action only

Swing radius shorten up overall length

Constant hand speed, effortless motion

Soft legs

As far as I've figured it out
 

Stationary head, Impact waggle w/open club face, Impact Fix, RFT covering, Right knee to inner quadrant of ball.

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Knudson practiced with a cigarette or a golf pencil in his mouth for the same reason. A drill he used with students who needed to stay more stationary or alternatively for students he wanted to just plane shut up. Hard to talk with a pencil in your mouth.

U shouldn't let the head bob or sway but if u really wanna get precise also don't let it turn tilt or swivel either the weight of the head and the picture of the ball moving around during the swing is hazardous

Revisions
 

Decided on a revised pattern or two...

Saturday, 46 and 44 could not buy a chip or a putt and forgot to assemble my flying wedges for the first eight holes... At one point I was driving my right knee and manufacturing pull slices on every hole-very depressing! :(

Reviewed Lynn's videos last night and re-discovered the level left wrist for putting, chipping, carry back and flossing :laughing1


On Sunday, 43, 39, 40 on the three 9's we have at my course :golf:

New Pattern:

Paddle Wheel

Square to open stance

Stationary head

Impact Fix with Level left wrist

Impact Waggle-monitor club-face for needed shot shape add EA (lock out left elbow?)

Carry Back with RFT

Drive Right shoulder at the ball / effect is to trace the base line of the plane with PP # 3 with vigor or use Angle of Approach


I really have started to drive cross line into the ball's inner quadrant then the ground! :salut:

The level left wrists in putting and putt-chipping had me close to the hole often. I do have to really take dead aim at the flag and be unafraid to hit over trouble with an extra iron and let my short game handle the clean-up. Level left wrist makes every shot possible! And in the sand I need to remember my "v's" to thump that sand.

I also need to close my club face as early as my heavy pitching wedge!


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Closed clubface with open stance?

For a draw, Whip.
 

I guess it is technically a "pull-draw" or an educated "snap hook." :laughing9

Since I have fallen in love with my Pivot however, it is a simple Horizontal Hinge and Swing. Full Pivot, well behind the ball, correct ball position, Impact Waggle so I can preview the club face roll. Very satisfying. Angle Hinge Paddle Wheel for a fade or very open, 20-30 degrees club face, for a Swing.

I can't look at the video until I'm home tonight but thanks in advance.


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Arc and Angle of Approach
 

What is the difference between Arc and Angle of Approach? Thanks.

The arc of approach and angle of approach are visual equivalents to the plane line for the swinger. the club will rotate away from the ball and into the ball creating a blurred clubhead path-arc whereas a hitter sees the club move in a straight line up and down the angle of approach no arc.

Thats one heck of a first question. Very few people could answer this fully and it would take them a lot of time to explain.

The short answer is that most hitters and all swingers employ the arc .....the curved club head visual blur associated with on plane club shaft travel . Sorta like the putting arc deal. The shaft rides the plane , the head rides an arc at the same time. Weird as that sounds.

Ob they are visual equivalents, only the swinger however uses the curved arc of approach te hitter should have no arc in his blur only a straight line

I know this is a common line of thinking but Homer himself said otherwise in the audio tapes.

To confuse matters even further , when asked if Swingers could use the Angle of Attack Procedure Homer said "NO!.... well yes....... but it would take a lot of compensations ".

In regard to whether a Hitter can use the Arc the answer is a very firm yes. This would be a hitter who planes his shaft on any of the common planes through impact. Regardless in which direction the plane line points: open, closed , square , so long as his shaft rides a common plane through the ball the eyes from their parallax point of view will see a curved club head blur. A useful visual equivalent to on plane club shaft and head travel and probably the inspiration for V.J.'s putting arc , maybe. I dunno but the geometry is similar.

Hey Whip do those white club heads make the visual equivalents , the club head blurs even more noticeable ? Never thought about that one , me being a Titleist driver , 3 wood player.

Sorry Ob the hitter cannot use the arc of approach it won't w a straight line

I think we have a different take on things . Thats Ok. Thats the way things go given the yellow book of riddles .

IMO a hitter using the Arc of Approach Procedure would not see a straight line blur, he'd see an Arc or curved club head blur . Im talking about the true geometric Angle of Approach here , geometry of the Circle, guys who actually can see a straight line club head blur . Not hitters who merely point there plane line to the right. There are other geometric criteria which need to be met to allow you to actually see the straight line blur, wheel track. To see the illusion! You have to forgo a few 1-L's actually to pull it off, as others have said on this board. Its not a club shaft plane of motion but a club head etc etc. If you hit and your shaft rides a plane you will see a curved blur. Id say that most hitters fall into this category , even ones who point their plane line to the right!

I sent you a pm not sure if you saw it. If you want to discuss the Visual Equivalents maybe somebody could start a thread. It could go for a while.

Regards

On this one is a big deal hitters do not use arc of approach as soon as they see an arc they are longer hitting.it must be a straight line not a curved arc

I want to make sure that we're talking about visual equivalents here and not the true path of the club head . This is often the sticking point with 2-J-3. What seemed obvious to Homer was not so obvious to his readers sadly. As much as I love the book I do think it could have used a few more diagrams to my mind. Geometry is best described by drawings not words.

When I first got on this board I asked about the straight line blur that the hitter sees . I was told by a well meaning board member that this straight line blur was very real and a product of the hitters straight line thrust. It took me a few years to realize that this was not quite right. It is real but in a visual sense only. There is no flat spot in the club head orbit , the orbit is still circular for the hitter . Homers Angle of Attack straight line club head blur is not apparent when the exact same orbit is viewed from any perspective other than the golfers. Be it caddy, birds eye , DTL whatever.

Only the circumference of a circle is curved . The straight line wheel track is made by a circular wheel. Its a VISUAL equivalent we are talking about here.

Ask your self under what conditions the circular club head orbit would appear to be a straight line to the golfer. This insight was posted on this board once and only once to my knowledge. It was brief, perhaps a sentence long or so . Wonder if I can find it again , Ill try. The necessary geometric requirements of this are precise and have implications to some of the 1-Ls but once met they will allow a golfer to cover a straight line going back and also through the ball . It will allow him to hit inside out and achieve 3D impact . Its a way to Steer and achieve 3D impact in other words. Its a geometric anomaly perhaps ...... the sort of thing only Homer would come up with.


What if I told you this __ is really this O laid flat ? Would you still call the former a straight line or would you say it was a circle laid flat that visually appeared to be straight line from the viewers perspective?

The straight line club head blur that a hitter may see is not a direct product of his active right arm, its a product of the geometry he is employing (which is so manipulated that it doesn't lend itself well to swingings CF , auto everything, rock on a sting etc). Hence Homers somewhat confounding comment about whether a swinger could use the Angle ..... " NO , well maybe but it would require a lot of manipulations ".

It sure about all that but I wil hang my hat on this fact, a hitter uses the angle of approach an arc of approach is for swingers only these are visual equivalents

Typically yes but not necessarily given what Homer said in the GSEM classes. Hitters can use the Arc of the Angle , swingers are pretty much confined to the Arc . The Angle requires so much manipulation that pivot power is detrimental as it produces CF which promotes shaft plane compliance rather than club head only plane travel. So if you're a hitter with some pivot power which most of them are , you're probably gonna plane your shaft .And if youre shaft rides a Plane you will see a curved blur unless you can somehow achieve the eye plane ....

The hitter moves off the plane a bit coming through his path is not an arc blur it mist be a straight line path through the ball not an arc

I'm much less versed in TGM that you guys but it seems to me that one can Hit and still trace the plane line, and then the visual impression on the clubhead depends on the position of the head wrt the plane, or one can use the Angle of Approach *Procedure* that is cross plane-line and see a straight line (I remember a post from Ted saying that you both point and cover the straight line).

duck dodge dive and duck .
 

Yes and yes . It should also be noted that if a Hitter planed his shaft and traced at 10-5-E out to the right or closed plane line he would be using the arc of approach procedure (with its curved blur visual equivalent) , along a closed plane line . He would be turning the shot into an inside out stroke as opposed to merely an inside out Delivery Line. Assuming the hitters typical Angled Hinging this might not be a bad way to go ... but its not the true geometric Angle Of Approach procedure with its straight line club head blur visual.

Re "point and cover": The #3pp points at, Traces the line , the club head covers the straight line visually, from the players perspective. The club head will in the backstroke thereby move immediately and progressively up to higher and higher plane angles . The club shaft will not ride a plane but describe a cone shape with the pointy end of the cone behind the golfer . If the club head's flat plane of motion or orbit runs through the eye line he will be able to see a straight line club head blur. And use it as a reference. A highly manipulated procedure but geometrically sound if pointed to the right ... point it straight and you're Steering , you wouldn't have 3D impact and will hit floaters essentially given angled hinging. A great shot around the green but not when you need compression. Pointed to the right and you will re established Forward , Down and Out , 3 D impact with its associated increase in compression.

BTW , Ted's a hitter and employs either the arc or the angle when doing so. There's a post where Yoda alludes to this ....

the hitter should move off plane out toward right field slightly in the follow through it is a line delivery the visual blur will be straight not curved along the angle of approach, if the blur is curved you are not hitting

Whip can you hit? If you can do you see a straight blur ? I luv ya man don't want to be an ass but when I hit I see an arc

Then u ain't hitting that's what I'm saying u take that angle of approach and u make darn sure theat clubbed and face goes straight not curved up and down that line the blur is straight for my hit as it should not curve why would it it is going off plane in the follow through a straight line thrust where is the arc?

Oh Im hitting .. fer sure . Active right arm is active right arm. Hitting is not defined by the club head blur.

Thrust by definition is always straight line . A swinger is said to have non active, passive right arm straight line thrust. (Which incidentally might be THE missing ingredient or insight that goofing with hitting can lend to a swingers normal procedure). Straight line thrust does not produce a straight line club head blur directly .. The club head does not in fact move in a truly straight line of flight although under one specific condition it may appear to be doing so. "Appear" .

If you thrust the Primary Lever which is centred at the left shoulder the club head will describe a circular orbit . Sorta like a patio door closer ... the cylinder pistons , extends and contracts in a straight line but the outside edge of the door describes a circle on the ground given that its centred at the hinges. Imagine the mechanical changes necessary to get the doors edge to travel in a straight line? How would a golfer accomplish the same? Answer : He doesn't! Not at full speed anyways although it is possible when putting. Straight back , straight through putting with the club head staying at a particular height off the ground. Steering.


This one specific point of view where a circular orbit can appear to be a straight line to the golfers eye lends itself to hitting far better than it does to swinging . Almost exclusively to hitting , or more specifically a highly manipulated , non shaft plane compliant form of hitting. Using any other club head plane or the adoption of a clubs haft plane does not forgo hitting but does forgo the illusion of a straight line club head blur.

Here's a photo that I stumbled upon .... .just a coincidence but it does a nice job of describing the geometry necessary for seeing a straight line when viewing a circle. This golfer is seeing a straight line , as does the camera . A straight line wheel track is made by a circular wheel. When looking at the circumference of the circle or the wheel rim, to continue with Homers analogy , you see the curved nature of the wheels rim which appears more or less circular in accordance with the relationship between the plane the wheel sits and your eye line. If you lowered the explanar in this photo so it laid flat on the ground this golfer would see the max amount of curve possible through the impact area. The other various possible plane angles between these two extremes (although it should be noted that the circle pictured is not truly vertical but "almost vertical " , as Homers said in the audio tapes when describing the angle of approach's club head only plane angle) would produce varying degrees of curvature to the golfers eye.

Great photo! In fact, a Swinger could use his right eye and the ball to define his DS plane, steep though it would be. :)

There is no circle for a ht only the right arm straight line uncentered thrust the clubhead moves on a line through the ball out towar right field not swinging on plane hitting on a line. I thought I was hitting after the gseb classes Daniels said I wasn't. Its not hitting if that clubhead does not move in a straight line your not hitting your hitting and swinging

2-J-3 does not make it totally clear, but I think it mixes Arc of Approach and Angle of Approach as visual equivalent to on-plane motion with the delivery procedures that gives a cross-line Hit for the Angle of Approach delivery (off plane past low point). The latter is naturally associated (2-J-3) to 10-5-E Closed plane line but 12-1-0 specify 10-5-A Square-Square and would be using the former "Angle of Approach equivalent to on plane motion". These are the two hitting procedures I recall from discussions here.

This is perhaps Homers most confusing offering and as such there are differences of opinion even amongst TGM's greats. I just can't see how you could get the clubhead to move in a straight line path in 3D space at full driver speed. Putting sure it could be done I suppose, not sure why you'd want to do that but driving?

If the club head actually moved along a straight line path this straightness would be apparent from any visual or camera perspective. Do you have photos of this sort of thing? Or are you saying it straight line but only for a bit?

By what mechanism do you forgo the effect on the club head path of the fixed centre and the fixed lever length? Hitters still thrust the primary lever , the left arm and club. Giving you a lever length a centre and I would think, a circular motion.

I want to see a face-on video of someone moving the clubhead in a straight line from Top to Impact. :razz:

M J , I know what you mean but to play the other side of the fence here for a moment ... when you look at actual club head traces, they can get pretty flat ..... not truly flat but pretty flat around impact. Even the Angle of Approach when seen to scale is not very "out to the right" when viewed from the players perspective. Interesting huh?

The drawings of chapter 2 are not to scale and somewhat exaggerate the direction the Angle points, IMO for illustrative and educational purposes . The balls response however is heavily influenced by the most minuscule of degrees of change. As such Homers drawings though not to scale were "keerect" in regards to the implications to ball reaction. He had to draw them "not to scale" .... no one would think they were "impactfull" or relevant otherwise.


That or mine are the blatherings of a mad man, whose been trying to figure out Homer for far too long. Take your pick.

The left arm is basically irrelevant for the hitter it's how lee Westwood gets away with a bent left arm and wrist at impact the hit has no center