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A PGA tour player approached Ben Hogan and asked a question related to the back swing. "You don't hit the ball with the back swing" was Hogan's reply.

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Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 81352)

A PGA tour player approached Ben Hogan and asked a question related to the back swing. "You don't hit the ball with the back swing" was Hogan's reply.

And Homer Kelley told me . . .

"You can clown the backswing."

As he said this, he took the club back in a crazy, all over the place way.

But then, he realigned at the Top, and said:

"Hogan was right, the Top is the 'crossroads'. It separates swinger from hitter from hacker."

:salut:

That's very helpful.

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 81304)

With due respect to the eloquence -- and accurate and important information -- of all parties in the quotes above:

Swingers with their Drag Loading Pattern (12-2-0) should totally ignore the Angle of Approach Procedure.

Hitters should explore it, but only after they've mastered the Drive Loading Pattern (12-1-0).

The two cited Stroke Patterns are structured so that moving from one to the other (Hitting versus Swinging) can be accomplished with a minimum of disruption to the player's Basic Pattern. Therefore, both Patterns use the Square-Square Plane Line / Stance Line Combination (10-5-A).

The Angle of Approach procedure described in the quote above uses that Square Plane Line (the Geometric Plane Line) to determine the new Angle of Approach Delivery Line. From that point, the original Plane Line becomes irrelevant. Hence, it is a procedure foreign to both the Basic Stroke Patterns.

Bottom Line: the Angle of Approach Procedure is For Hitters Only. And then only when you know you're ready for the ultimate sophistication in Golf. Until then . . .

Stay away.

:salut:

When I learn to move while keeping my chest and head stationary, I'll worry about this! :)

ICT

I've been watching some un-TGM videos regarding rthythm and tempo. There was a lot of talk about the role of gravity in the golf swing. How does TGM deal with this aspect?

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 81354)

"Hogan was right, the Top is the 'crossroads'. It separates swinger from hitter from hacker."

:salut:

Ben and Homer. Two grinders.

There's not much gravity in TGM Air,

The patterns are valid even in outer space :laughing9

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Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 81389)

There's not much gravity in TGM Air,

The patterns are valid even in outer space :laughing9

Alignments are for ever and every where?

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Originally Posted by airair (Post 81387)

I've been watching some un-TGM videos regarding rthythm and tempo. There was a lot of talk about the role of gravity in the golf swing. How does TGM deal with this aspect?

I think that most of the time, people talk in these videos about gravity when they really meant inertia... some mention gravity, as to "let the arms fall from top", that's a way to
suggest a feel. If all you were doing is let the arms fall, there wouldn't be any power in the golf swing.

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Originally Posted by Etzwane (Post 81403)

I think there is something to be said about to work together with gravity and not against it - like pushing a child in a swingset. The MacDonald drills also work with gravity in how to swing the arms in accordance to which foot to step on. But TGM has its own definition of rhythm, so I guess this must be something else...?

McHatton feels that gravity is all you need. He says you can't add any more speed beyond what the forces of gravity provide. A ball thrown down from a tall building won't go any faster than one that is dropped.! So swinging, I guess putting effort into it might not be a good thing. Perhaps that is why a relaxed swing will often go over the green! So snapping the kinetic chain suggests effort. Trying to hit it further remains a mystery for me. I would give up on distance cept that bunker on no 4 and 18 keeps catching me. If only I had 5 more yards I could clear it and I would save 2 to 3 shots a round. Then if I could eliminate the inconsistency and perhaps make one more putt I would be scratch. I know that Ben Doyle says to plant the left heel with the force you would use to set off the silent alarm if the bank was being robbed. So perhaps the swinger can only maximize his effort in this move.