I love Power Golf . The right arm straightening from drawing 1 to 2 .. is that what your working on? Id say thats a product of the Left Arm getting throw off ... #4 and a Plane Shift . It'd be way easier to get his right elbow past his right hip like this, get to Pitch. Cant get stuck like this or flip release cause the hip blocks the elbow. This might be what Tiger is working too. Hmmm gonna goof with that myself.... trying to get the fully bent right elbow in front of the hip is way harder to pull off, need a huge hole , clearing .

As for the alignment of the right forearmL The camera might not be perfectly aligned etc but never the less in the second drawing his forearm points above the plane line to my eye. If you draw a line up from the ball through the #3pp the Right Elbow is under plane as it should be .. But Im open to correction.


I just can't see how the right forearm gets on the inclined plane prior to Release or at the Release Point or prior to Impact even IF the Right Forearm Flying Wedge stays intact .

For the swinger I think they key is the #3accumulator roll and the pivot and the horizontal hinge, once the wrist uncocks the right arm is not doing hardly any straightening, everything is just rolling over the pivot turning around the post, fanning, underhand pitch motion the pivot carrying the right arm incidentally forward. Haha do u post from iPhone as well? I keep getting goofy predictive texts like uncork... Anyways, I think if the right arm is straightening too much down there it would be extending the power package forward rather than rolling over and around the hinge. I think the wedges are still in tact so long as you are using that strong single action grip...plane of the right wrist bend at 90 degrees to the left wrist cock, it's just that the wrist is cocked and turned on the plane. Re pictures are not great and u could draw lines through many different points and see it pointin a few places but that's beside the point. But it's easy to see when te right arm gets down there as in the second picture then the wrist starts doing it's job and the right arm kind just stayed there while the wrist uncocks on plane

Power golf and Sam sneads how to play golf are my go to books that aren't yellow idk y no one talks about power golf more it has soooo many good pictures

There's some stuff he says in Power Golf thats really good too. That book maybe doesn't get its due. I was talking to Yoda last night and snuck in a quick question about this right forearm thing. We didn't talk very long about it but basically he was confirming your line of thinking . Went something like this: "When does the Right Forearm lay flat to the Inclined Plane in the downstroke?" Yoda: "When the Right Elbow returns to the Elbow Plane". I asked him if you could trace with the right forearm . " #3pp".

On the inclined plane in Release this alignment of RFFW to the Inclined Plane would not mean the face is pointing at the ball... if you know what I mean. Geometry again. The face would point out to right field . But Im still a little vexed about the implications to hinge actions... gonna let this stew for a bit in the mental crock pot.

Speaking of the Slammer here's one of my favourite photos ever of any golfer. (Ted sent me this one, thank you Luke). Love the wrist conditions.. The left wrist is not flat here.......nor should it be . Also a Yoda and Ted insight.

Its like a mirror image of the backswing. His right palm lays flat to the plane, his left hand is Turned and Cocked. And his hands have returned to their Bent Left , Flat Right condition!!!

This is what Yoda wants me to do to free up my (swingers) flail ... no point freewheeling the backswing and then blocking the Finish Swivel .. that'd slow you down and take you off plane. Like a lot of guys I cooked up some anti hook hold off years back... thing is it wasn't the cause of the lefts to begin with. Im trying to get rid of the arched left at impact too. Trying to delay release more by getting my elbow deeper. Speaking of which your Release looks later!!! Is the ball liking it?

When I get the wrist conditions right at Top and Finish Swivel good things happen! I can just think about the Three Stations and let the thing flow. "Give up control to gain control" as Knudson said. It reminds me of the Wild Bill Melhourne drills or the MacDonald drills in terms of the feel. Lag and drag in both directions.

Yoda and Ted ... those guys are good.

Matter fact, if someone wants a golfing machine swingers pattern "for dummies" Sam Snead's How to Play Golf and secondly Davis Love jr.'s How to Feel a Real Golf Swing are incredible. The pictures and descriptions in both books especially Snead's are exceptionally accurate and simple and perfectly describe the swinger's motion
Also off topic I'm hitting My bh pc 9 iron 170 yards and i am of very small stature... This stuff works...

Yea I think when first discovering lag and forward lean flw Tgmers tend to forget that lag is an action, a motion not a position to be thrown forward at the ball rather lag it through the ball

Also regarding tracing through the forearm or #3pp he didn't say trace with the forearm, refer to bold

"so with the downstroke waggles, verify-- through the hands only--that the right elbow will be on plane before triggering to assure accurate tracing for the follow through. Especially with Delayed Release this will rotate the left hand in a swiveling action as required for rhythm"

Through the hands only of course means through the #3pp

The P.C.s were one of my faves. Im using the mp 32's still but always played pure blades previously. I don't remember the hogan 9 iron going 170 personally. Might want to check those lofts man. http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/i...cons/icon7.gif

Have you noticed much added distance with the delayed release?

When you say lag is a motion not an action etc .... I know you got it. Thats exactly it. You get back to fix with a lagging club head via motion, lag you don't "cop" the position of pose for it. Its like all he guys trying to hold onto angles . You don't hold on to anything in a literal sense. . That won't work. You don't cock your wrists by cocking your wrists , you don't hold on to wrist cock by holding on to wrist cock.......its a motion with momentum. Momentum does both.

This is swinger talk live folks. Hitters can go get a beer or something.

I should mention snead's book is great but there is no substitute for the golfing machine...

Posture and extensor
 

A couple things that have helped me lately is feeling like my heart is trying to face the sky, this gets my upper body in a better posture also feeling extensor below plane as it should be almost vertical

What section(s) in the swing are you talking about here?

Throughout the whole motion maintain extensor and proud posture

Originally Posted by whip

A couple things that have helped me lately is feeling like my heart is trying to face the sky, this gets my upper body in a better posture also feeling extensor below plane as it should be almost vertical

¤- What section(s) in the swing are you talking about here?

¤- Are you feeling like your heart is trying to face the sky throughout the whole golf stroke?

yea just feeling proud posture throughout heart to the sky just kinda lifts ur upper body up into a better posture with the shoulders sort of like an extensor for your posture

training wheels
 

training in the living room with the small adjustable plane

to get the feeling of extensor without tension, i pump the arms at address slightly bring both in a little with soft elbows and then gently stretching the left arm taught with right tricep/#3 making sure the stretch direction is below plane, it's easy to get tense and locked up when really focusing on extensor but it should do the opposite, it should eliminate tension so give the arms a little pump and you might find extensor a little better

when look, look, looking it's easiy to get my chin buried in the chest monitoring the arms and hands at address, got to remember to get the chin up get good posture, look, look, look but get the chin up

can't say enough about having a little adjustable plane like this serious golfers best friend it really grooves the backswing, perfect for putting as well, tour guys need this

Have you tried using #1pp? Although EA doesn't move the left arm the #1 pp can still be employed as the pressure point associated with fanning and bending , RFT. Making it a dual purpose pressure point during the backswing. Lynn does this. Simplification is a good thing.

yes #1 in there too

When Ben Doyle is watching a chin-up golfer from the caddy view he says, "I can see his face! I shouldn't see his face!!". :naughty:

The golfing machine is so simple
 

after studying the book, taking the ai classes, teaching, posting on this forum, constructing an inclined plane, and taking lessons from a master authorized instructor for three years, everything seems very clear and simple now, when I look at the tips and tricks and ideas from other sources they all seem so ridiculous, as I understand the machine now, it couldn't make more sense. Now it's simply a matter of look, look, look, repeat, repeat, repeat, win, win, win

What do you find most important in your understanding - besides the imperatives and essentials?

Probably the axis tilt, the hinge actions and they're corresponding impact fix adjustments

You have my permission to explain this a little more if you want to...

Well those were just the two things that were big eye openers, prior to that I thought you wanted the clubface square at impact and I thought you simply just turned and turned back. So when I realized that the face had to be slightly open for horizontal hinge at impact to allow for closing it was a big aha moment. The axis tilt explained how the thrust could be delivered down the plane. Those two simple things explained a lot for me, very simple things.

It's always nice when things seem (and are) simple. I'm not there yet, but it's interesting to read about your progress and understanding of the book. Keep it coming.

Although it all makes sense, the application doesn't come easy, some days I think I've got it and other days I wanna break every club In the bag.

the bunker
 

today greg fixed my bunker game. I was making too many adjustments for the sand and was loaded with tension. I was forcibly swinging my arms and bending the left arm trying to vertical hinge instead of letting the pivot pull the arms through. I started using the pivot and feeling like i was hitting a normal 70 yd pitch shot but with an open face regripped strong single action. He got me to let the weight of the clubhead splash the sand, soft arms letting the weight fall like ernest jones' penknife. he had me getting into the follow through more, getting off the right foot instead of flat footed bending the wrists and arms. I was too open and pulling even more left in the follow through, Instead he got me to angled hinge on plane with a slightly open open plane line. Immediately I was hitting High soft beautiful bunker shots all right around the hole which i couldn't see until I got out because of the high lip.
This makes me a very happy golfer. We even tackled the hardpan bunker shot that you get from bunkers that don't have enough sand in them which are too common around here.

Intentional Throwaway which exposes the bounce like Luke Donald sometimes does in the sand is to my mind a swinging of the club head past the hands. Swinging the club head intentionally in other words as opposed to the hands. But that said , you can expose the bounce by opening the face and just swing the hands normally. You got options. But ideally you can do both.

This business, variance in release points , Hinge Action and changes in Wrist firmness are all critical variables in short shot mastery to my mind. Wrist firmness I gotta highlight . It goes untalked about but it can be prescribed to great effect when putting, chipping etc and then loosened accordingly Its maybe a factor, component that Homer missed outlining but he did allude to it. Re the Bat and Right arm swinging with loosened wrists. Designed in changes in wrist firmness is there, believe me its there. And it can and should be planned for , prescribed for the shot at hand. Runyan's "stiff wristed chipping" or putting for example does give way to other looser wristed shots. Flop shots etc. You gotta play with wrist firmness .. got to. You loosen as you move more towards True Swinging procedures. Freddy or Bobby Jones type stuff.

maybe out of very soft fluffy sand, intentional throwaway could be useful but for me bending the left wrist in the sandtrap is death.

Whip I didn't realize that you are an instructor and an A.I. too. Awesome.

Machine elves
 

Yep, I'm way down the rabbit hole

Hows the game coming along Whip?

managing expectations.
 

Thats golf . Cant fight it really just have to take it , expect it in a weird way.

Yoda has some interesting stuff on tour stats for up and downs , oscillations about the norm in scoring etc. etc. It can be quite refreshing to see things in terms of what the worlds best achieve in certain situations. Beating ourselves up doenst make the good days more frequent.

took down my arm swing quite a few notches and have been really working my pivot nicely, really powering the swing with the hips.

My new student dan shot his lowest score ever yesterday 67 with 3 bogeys I have only been working with him for a month he attributes his score to dragging the butt end of the club at the ball and his improved pivot and footwork this is what the golfing machine does folks...

whip - I don't want to seem to be picking at you, but he should never drag the butt end of the club at the ball, or one day he will turn into a shanking fool!

Joe, you also said that he hit the ball nowhere with his random sweep release and you said he should be a hitter because hes throwing it away sooo much, guess what his 'throwaway' swing hits 5 irons 210 and he just shot 67 I guess my terrible coaching isn't working, you're right....

whip, I was wrong in my analysis - I thought he was a Swinger with throwaway, until Yoda pointed out he was Hitting. I would grip it cross-handed and throw away every accumulator, if it gave me a 210 carry with a 5 iron! :golf:

I can assure you he is swinging

With those kinds of distances and scores, you are obviously doing great things for him! :salut: