Hungry bear idk if u wereon that thread how many greats usedsnap but that was my point very few greats used snap most use random sweep and u are correct the swivel can Ve harder to time because it is so fast and instant like I Said the snap release requires precision and timing to reap it's benefits which can be only marginally if at all more powerful than a random sweep procedure

I'm not sure what it means to "have clubface alignment" to what? The pros are not holding the alignment the majority of them are dual hotizontal hinging some of them are trying to hold the face open but there is nothing in the book about holding the clubface alignment do u mean angled hinging? One to think about though hb the aiming point is very well suited and in fact required for te snap release once the aiming point is mastered the timing issues may cease to exist. Also the roll is actually the same for the huge action it's the swivel that happens much faster once your hands are turned on plane and have drug down to snap release point they must swivel into hinge action much quicker than say a random sweep does. Also i get your point but no one uses snap release in putting and few use horizontal hinging. putting is not a good example. Remember although snap release has a quick swivel centrifugual force when utilized will automatically align the face any swinger cannot be worried about timin the face to be Square because his hands ought not be doing it rather it's centrifugal force aligning te clubface naturally producing the dual horizontal hinge by the orbitig arms and turning torso

It's not really off topic because this is what I have been workin on

But here is the topic of my thread-- this swing I can't find much wrong with it and Greg says it's my best swing on record
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HIes_-QSaO8&sns=em


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Id say Snap can be gotten without right hand cocking . It might not be as late however. There being a range to snap.

There is audio tape of Homer discussing the relative advantages of Snap gotten via rubber wrists and/or right hand cocking vs his preferred preserved wedges version. Homer did have a strong theoretical preference for the latter , despite the fact some great golfers like Bobby Jones employed the former .

Let me see if I can dig it up ... and get back to with his thoughts.

The HB .

Hb what aligns the face for horizontal hinging if not cf when swinging? Are you implying horizontal is always manipulated or are you saying its a natural product of swinging but not from cf per say?

Homer of course believed horizontal was the product of true swinging. As revealed by his balsa wood iron head on a string experiment.Where no face manipulation was possible.

Conical plane. gravity is in play. IF HK swung it like a pendulum on a single plane which way would the toe point?

You do know I may get into big trouble for these truths. But. So be it. The fuse is lit, Maybe?

HB

Hb you are not shedding light on any new truths rather they are false. Cf aligns the clubface not the hands unless You are doing manipulated hands swinging. You have argued points about bending and rolling which are not required for a snap release. why the geometry is "mangled", the geometry is sound with a snap release, physics creates the geometry dont forget that. Cf aligning the clubface is why swinging works sorry you are wrong.

Q

Thanks whip, glad we have this all streightened out.

HB

I have to go with HB here. There is no physical reason that CF should impose any rotation around the longitudinal sweet spot axis.

My take on this is that the face is mostly squared by the rotation of the RFFW and the LAFW. The right (pitch) elbow can only be maintained so far into the down swing, and when RFFW rotates back on plane so does the club face.

Here's a Nesbit paper where the "gamma torque" that opens and closes the face is discussed - among other things http://www.motionanalysis.com/pdf/2005_nesbit.pdf

Wow seriously?

You guys are right homer was just all wrong wheres the head banging against the wall smiley?