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O.B.Left 03-28-2011 12:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 83410)
Glad to hear that - coming from a capacity like you.:salut:

I dont know if Picasso really said "Good artists copy, great artists steal", but if he did Im sure he meant "steal" in only the best of possible ways and from the best possible sources. Perhaps as an homage, the most noble of thefts.

I steal everything Lynn Blake I can get my hands on and the better the source the better the material, I find.

airair 03-28-2011 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 83422)
I dont know if Picasso really said "Good artists copy, great artists steal", but if he did Im sure he meant "steal" in only the best of possible ways and from the best possible sources. Perhaps as an homage, the most noble of thefts.

I steal everything Lynn Blake I can get my hands on and the better the source the better the material, I find.

I know the feeling. :rolleyes:

david sandridge 03-28-2011 08:34 PM

Air Air your posts keep me busy. I have on going files of "pearls" from the forum. Most of my copy and pasting is of Lynn's comments which I put in files called best of Lynn Blake. I have close to 200 pages, some repetitive. I just transferred an edited file over to my new Ipad 2 which is destined to go to the range. Ben Doyle pointed out to me that when you hit golf balls and play you must have "golf thoughts". I am convinced there are good and pad thoughts. Within TGM system there are definitely proper and improper thoughts. I plan to read Lynn's plain english explanations before practicing. Your posts are terrific for someone who wants to create an archive. Of course the most obvious thing would be for Lynn to publish a book of his explanations organized as i have them. That would be accompanied with a DVD of the book digitized so a search function could be used.
I guess the digitized book is a "sticky wicket".

airair 03-28-2011 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by david sandridge (Post 83427)
Air Air your posts keep me busy. I have on going files of "pearls" from the forum. Most of my copy and pasting is of Lynn's comments which I put in files called best of Lynn Blake. I have close to 200 pages, some repetitive. I just transferred an edited file over to my new Ipad 2 which is destined to go to the range. Ben Doyle pointed out to me that when you hit golf balls and play you must have "golf thoughts". I am convinced there are good and pad thoughts. Within TGM system there are definitely proper and improper thoughts. I plan to read Lynn's plain english explanations before practicing. Your posts are terrific for someone who wants to create an archive. Of course the most obvious thing would be for Lynn to publish a book of his explanations organized as i have them. That would be accompanied with a DVD of the book digitized so a search function could be used.
I guess the digitized book is a "sticky wicket".

If we are lucky the book(s) we are waiting for will appear some day.. :thumright

Etzwane 03-29-2011 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by david sandridge (Post 83427)
there are good and pad thoughts.

Apple addict spotted ! :rolleyes:

air, thanks for all the references, that's a great help.

airair 03-29-2011 05:10 AM

Right Forearm Flying Wedge Drill
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread6034.html

airair 03-29-2011 05:11 AM

Right Timing
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread6037.html

airair 03-29-2011 05:12 AM

Rigid Right and Locked Left
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread6038.html

airair 03-29-2011 09:59 AM

More distance?
 
http://www.pga.com/golf-instruction/...stance-video-0

airair 03-29-2011 01:09 PM

A Closed Question
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread5989.html

airair 03-29-2011 06:00 PM

A Pressure Situation
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread5990.html

david sandridge 03-29-2011 10:10 PM

Further comments on ipad. I can bookmark my lynn blake files with keywords like
"cranking the gyroscope" so can find em easy. I took it to range and used the camera and V 1 software to video my swing. Wow is that going to help. Software contains a number of pro swings for comparison that I can flip to LEFT HANDED.
When I get better at aligning the camera and correcting what I say today will post them. The camera on the ipad has a poor reputation but for golf analysis is super. Movie not as grainy as still photos, stop action gives great detail and adequate frame rate, can even see detail of grip. I am impressed and is going to work for me. Whether my cap drops is another deal. Thanks again Air for the good files and to the forum members for some awesome posts this year. I got em in my pad and will have em on the range. For you young guys you don't need a pad but for an old guy like me the pad replaces my failing memory !!.

airair 03-30-2011 03:05 AM

All Clear
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread5991.html

airair 03-30-2011 03:07 AM

Are We Talking About the Shoulder Turn Throw
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread5992.html

airair 03-30-2011 03:08 AM

Captain Hook And The Mother Load
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread5993.html

airair 03-30-2011 10:52 AM

Cross Line Hitting Alignments
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread5997.html

airair 03-30-2011 02:06 PM

Different Strokes
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread5999.html

airair 03-30-2011 06:02 PM

Down And Out
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread6001.html

airair 03-30-2011 08:10 PM

Hitting Down (And Other Matters)
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ighlight=throw #2,4,6-10

airair 03-31-2011 04:44 AM

Extensor Action
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread6004.html

airair 03-31-2011 04:46 AM

Feels For Better Golf
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread6005.html

airair 03-31-2011 04:48 AM

Five Steps To A Magical Right Forearm Flying Wedge
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread6006.html

airair 03-31-2011 04:54 AM

Question
 
Let me try to formulate a question about the downswing/release thru impact, if I'm capable of it:

From the top there is a downstroke waggle which the pivot executes with the right-left, right-left rhythm. The bent right arm doesn't begin to straighten out yet. Further down there is a definite downward throw of the club (release trigger?) (for a swinger) (but not a throw away) by the left arm/hand. The throw is in part a uncocking of the LW and a roll/swivel of the left forearm. I guess this must be done while sustaining the lag? Is this quick throw down to the position and not thru the position at impact the same concept as to drag the wet mop - although a throw seems fast and the wet mop dragging seems slow? Furthermore it's not so easy to feel/get the throw to be vertical to the ground to avoid the horizontal motion of the FWL when the club is going forward anyway ...

Have I got the right idea about this - or not?
:golf:

david sandridge 03-31-2011 08:38 AM

I have a problem also understanding dragging the mop and throw out. It seems they are not compatible. Just as extensor action seems to conflict with throw out. The muscle tension needed for dragging the mop and extensor action seem to conflict with the relaxed feel I associate with the throw out of centrifugal force.
In the past I feel I have CF working and feel a throw out. Then it is gone and I am rigid again, I am about to say Hell with it and just learn hitting. If I am going to use a wrist throw I have to be relaxed from the top ie have to be ready to throw or allow something to be thrown from the top. So I guess the question is if you are swinging using CF at some point do you feel throw out occur, do you feel a relaxed extension of the right arm, Do you feel it being straightened by the momentum of the swing and weight of the clubs, hands and arm ?

airair 03-31-2011 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by david sandridge (Post 83493)
I have a problem also understanding dragging the mop and throw out. It seems they are not compatible. Just as extensor action seems to conflict with throw out. The muscle tension needed for dragging the mop and extensor action seem to conflict with the relaxed feel I associate with the throw out of centrifugal force.
In the past I feel I have CF working and feel a throw out. Then it is gone and I am rigid again, I am about to say Hell with it and just learn hitting. If I am going to use a wrist throw I have to be relaxed from the top ie have to be ready to throw or allow something to be thrown from the top. So I guess the question is if you are swinging using CF at some point do you feel throw out occur, do you feel a relaxed extension of the right arm, Do you feel it being straightened by the momentum of the swing and weight of the clubs, hands and arm ?

I'm not sure I'm doing so much of this (only Yoda knows). CF is perhaps not my strongest point, but I'm trying to get the left arm roll working (and trying to understand what I'm doing) and keep the LW flat. That helps in itself...(compared with steering, throw aways etc)

Yoda 03-31-2011 09:07 PM

Reconciling Lag, Drag, and Acceleration
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by david sandridge (Post 83493)

I have a problem also understanding dragging the mop and throw out. It seems they are not compatible. Just as extensor action seems to conflict with throw out. The muscle tension needed for dragging the mop and extensor action seem to conflict with the relaxed feel I associate with the throw out of centrifugal force.
In the past I feel I have CF working and feel a throw out. Then it is gone and I am rigid again, I am about to say Hell with it and just learn hitting. If I am going to use a wrist throw I have to be relaxed from the top ie have to be ready to throw or allow something to be thrown from the top. So I guess the question is if you are swinging using CF at some point do you feel throw out occur, do you feel a relaxed extension of the right arm, Do you feel it being straightened by the momentum of the swing and weight of the clubs, hands and arm ?


'Dragging the mop'
through the Release Point Triggers the Left Wrist Throw, i.e., the On Plane Extension of the Primary Lever Assembly (Left Arm and Club). The Release Sequence includes this full Uncocking of the Left Wrist as well as its Snap Roll (from Turned to Plane to Vertical) for Impact.

It's a whole lot easier to demonstrate these things than to write about them. And that includes any discussion regarding Extensor Action during the Stroke.

I'll be back.

:salut:

BerntR 03-31-2011 09:25 PM

Extencior action is IMO very well described and demonstrated in Yodas alignment video. Personally I got a lot out of that sequence alone.

:thumright

airair 03-31-2011 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 83504)
Extencior action is IMO very well described and demonstrated in Yodas alignment video. Personally I got a lot out of that sequence alone.

:thumright

Isn't extensor action all about making the right arm pull/push on the left arm so the left arm is straighter and has more width in the direction the left forearm thru the index finger is pointing - in a downward direction below the plane (at impact at least)... testing...

BerntR 03-31-2011 10:48 PM

Yes it is about keeping the left arm straight.

But there is more to it than that.

For once; You set up a rigid structure with the right arm, one that firms up things and resists slowdown during release and ball contact.

You also use extencior action to extend the hands away from the swing center. This increases the leverage of the pivot. You get to do more work per degree of shoulder turn.

But my current favourite is this: Creating a good muscle tension in the back, right under the left shoulder blade and right above the hip. These are the muscles that pulls the left arm through. The extencior action creates good connection between the pivot and the hands that assures that what you invest in the shoulder turn will pay off through the hands.

I now create this tension around 7-8 o'clock in the back swing as I set my wrists and when I've got everything synced and working 96%, I have a very direct connection between my footwork and the hands (and actually the club).

david sandridge 03-31-2011 10:52 PM

Thanks for the reply Yoda. What I find difficult is setting free the golfer's flail, I want to bring that flail to life, awaken it. These words I found on the forum in relation to the "stork" drill. I think yoda and EdZ were involved in that one. OB left and Kev also discussed drill a few days ago. Somehow I just can't seem to relax and allow it to occur. I'll have it for a few weeks and "mysteriously" it just disappear.

airair 04-01-2011 04:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 83508)
Yes it is about keeping the left arm straight.

But there is more to it than that.

For once; You set up a rigid structure with the right arm, one that firms up things and resists slowdown during release and ball contact.

You also use extencior action to extend the hands away from the swing center. This increases the leverage of the pivot. You get to do more work per degree of shoulder turn.

But my current favourite is this: Creating a good muscle tension in the back, right under the left shoulder blade and right above the hip. These are the muscles that pulls the left arm through. The extencior action creates good connection between the pivot and the hands that assures that what you invest in the shoulder turn will pay off through the hands.

I now create this tension around 7-8 o'clock in the back swing as I set my wrists and when I've got everything synced and working 96%, I have a very direct connection between my footwork and the hands (and actually the club).

Thanks. Good to know.:salut:

airair 04-01-2011 04:37 AM

Flying Wedge Alignments ll
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread6007.html

airair 04-01-2011 04:38 AM

Flying Wedge Alignments
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread6008.html

airair 04-01-2011 04:39 AM

Flying Wedges And Other Magic
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread6009.html

airair 04-01-2011 04:40 AM

Hand Controlled Pivot
 
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread6010.html

airair 04-01-2011 07:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 83489)
Let me try to formulate a question about the downswing/release thru impact, if I'm capable of it:

From the top there is a downstroke waggle which the pivot executes with the right-left, right-left rhythm. The bent right arm doesn't begin to straighten out yet. Further down there is a definite downward throw of the club (release trigger?) (for a swinger) (but not a throw away) by the left arm/hand. The throw is in part a uncocking of the LW and a roll/swivel of the left forearm. I guess this must be done while sustaining the lag? Is this quick throw down to the position and not thru the position at impact the same concept as to drag the wet mop - although a throw seems fast and the wet mop dragging seems slow? Furthermore it's not so easy to feel/get the throw to be vertical to the ground to avoid the horizontal motion of the FWL when the club is going forward anyway ...

Have I got the right idea about this - or not?
:golf:

Let's see if there are any more points to be considered?

A downward movement has a vertical aspect allthough the club doesn't go 90 degrees right down into the ground, I don't know what the degree can be - it will vary from club to club and what kind of shot is made, but it starts hitting the ball on its way down to low point 5-6 inches (or more?) in front of the ball - right down from the left shoulder - into the turf. Hence a divot.

The more emphasis there is to swing down like this by the uncocking of the LW, the greater the chance is to avoid flipping. One can't have a vertical and a horizontal movement at the same time, right?

One interesting aspect at impact is the move from the trigger release/downward throw/uncocking of the LW in a karate like on plane movement down to the ball and the suddenly make an abrupt roll of the LW (left forearm). It probably only takes place within the span of some 10 inches (?), but this is the place where the greatest speed is created, because the outside horse (the clubhead) moves 5 times faster (100 mph) than the inside horse (LW with its modest 20 mph) , but in the same RPM... in order to maintain the correct rhythm that is required...

:-? :-k :silenced:

Anybody want to comment this?

BerntR 04-01-2011 08:59 AM

The arms and the club can be said to have the same RPM if you look at it in the "right" way. This has been discussed recently. But they really don't. At the top, the club is lagging around 90 degree behind the left arm. And at the end it is leadning with around 90 degree. In a good stroke most of the overtaking will happen close to impact. The cocking and uncocking of the left wrists "absorbs" a 180 degree difference if the recommended single action grip is used. And most of this is absorbed close to impact.

The single action grip - where the left hand is only allowed to do a vertical hinge is a key in monitoring and controlling the overtaking. A double action grip - where both hands are allowed to bend and arche and cock and uncock is physically very effective too, but it is too flexible to provide clubhead and clubface control.

If the club and the arms travelled at the same RPM, flipping would be a non-issue.

airair 04-01-2011 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 83522)
The arms and the club can be said to have the same RPM if you look at it in the "right" way. This has been discussed recently. But they really don't. At the top, the club is lagging around 90 degree behind the left arm. And at the end it is leadning with around 90 degree. In a good stroke most of the overtaking will happen close to impact. The cocking and uncocking of the left wrists "absorbs" a 180 degree difference if the recommended single action grip is used. And most of this is absorbed close to impact.

The single action grip - where the left hand is only allowed to do a vertical hinge is a key in monitoring and controlling the overtaking. A double action grip - where both hands are allowed to bend and arche and cock and uncock is physically very effective too, but it is too flexible to provide clubhead and clubface control.

If the club and the arms travelled at the same RPM, flipping would be a non-issue.

As usual I'll have to let this sink in. I prefer to look at the same RPM issue in the "right way" - just like a merry-go-round like Yoda is talking about. Makes sense that the clubhead travels faster than the LW, (fore)arm etc to impact. And that we want them in line from impact to followthrow. That's about all I'm capable of understanding - so far...
:golf:

BerntR 04-01-2011 10:20 AM

You can only keep the right arm and the clubshaft at the same rpm if you zero accumulators #2 & #3. If you freeze accumulator #2 in a level position you can have a very even and gradual overtaking.

If you add some Accumulator #2 action to your stroke, things aren't so simple anymore. And that's why we need to manipulate CF, sustain lag pressure etc to prevent the overtaking before impact.

The full golf stroke is deemed to collapse sooner or later. But skilled players know how to keep it together until the ball is gone.

airair 04-01-2011 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 83525)
You can only keep the right arm and the clubshaft at the same rpm if you zero accumulators #2 & #3. If you freeze accumulator #2 in a level position you can have a very even and gradual overtaking.

If you add some Accumulator #2 action to your stroke, things aren't so simple anymore. And that's why we need to manipulate CF, sustain lag pressure etc to prevent the overtaking before impact.

The full golf stroke is deemed to collapse sooner or later. But skilled players know how to keep it together until the ball is gone.

Skilled players...? Will all skilled players raise your hands ! :clap: :hello2: :dontknow:


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