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For sure kev you were not wrong though, each player will most likely have his best work with one or another which will not be the same for all, nothing wrong with horizontal hitting different strokes for different folks. I simply wanted to point out, (because homer did) that even though the rates of closure change etc. Homer Wanted to make it clear that they are all equally capable (consistency and accuracy wise) but only dual horizontal gives maximum deformation of the golf ball. Let's get out and play! Thanks for the encouragement!